Profile of Omega_Warrior

It might surprise you that top players are there because of their game knowledge rather than micro, it's actually quite funny that micro is such a heavy topic when in CoH2 it hardly matters past a certain point (which isnt hard to reach btw).

I've been playing this game since beta. I know it's workings inside and out. But I have only decent micro control, and will most likely never break top 100 no matter how much I try.

Micro is extremely important in this game. Being able to control multiple engagements, react to every grenade, dodge call-ins, and generally giving more orders faster will generally get you further in this game then knowing what units to build and when.

Game knowledge definitely plays a part, but micro is king in this game.

All I want is to come home from work, turn on my computer, and play a game where I can realistically win just as easily no matter what faction I play. I fucking hate all this high level casting tournament bull.
The game is already balanced from the top down. It's just balanced from the top 250 and it's pretty well balanced at that. But that's not good enough for you guys, you want it balanced for a select few tourney players. The truth is that doing that will destroy balance, because you are left with factions that can only be effective in the hands of the absolute pros. The balance wont scale down because the micro skill won't scale down.
At this point we aren't talking about balancing from the top. We are talking about making large changes to pander to a couple a dozen players while disregarding the entire playerbase.

For those saying I want homogenization, that's not what I want. SC2 has well distinguished races that are also well balanced at each phase of the game.

I don't want grens and rifles to have the same stats in different uniforms, I just want grens to be able to keep up with rifles early game in some way just like I want USF armor to keep up with Tigers and Panthers late game. You don't have to copy and paste units to do this. But creating factions with a more equal balance of power at each game stage should help balance all game modes.

I would also like to reiterate that balance should come from the top down but the game needs to be fun for everyone which is where you look at the middle and out. Top players care about winning more than fun, but other players need the game to be fun. I believe we can have both.

If grens become as good as rifles, USF winrates will drop like a sack of hot potatos. You can't just remove the US's only advantage and think they will still be able to stay in the game when ostheer can do better at everything else. USF can simply has more options to invest into the early game and general infantry then whermacht.

The problem isn't grens but the vehicles. Whermacht is a vehicle and support weapon based army and rely on their vehicles to support their aggressiveness and contain harrassing infantry. The problem is in those early phases their light vehicle game sucks, when it should honestly be better then USF. Buff the 222 and whermacht will actually be able to be aggressive within their intended design. Which is better then making them as good as USF at the only thing they can really can do which will lead to disaster.

Nope. Super high micro unit with very little pay off for the risk. At this point USF players know how to make due without indirect, or to compensate through doctrine.

Even when it was good before the nerf it didn't really fill in USF's indirect role very well and was usually ignored for easier to use units.

It could use either more range or durability.

Could a statistician clear something up for me? Does it matter that there are 2 Axis factions and 3 Allied factions? Or is that irrelevant here?


VindicareX is an excellent player. But if you don't want to trust the opinion of one guy, there're several high level players in this thread like Siuking, Lemon, Ciez, ItzDusty agreeing with Vindicare. Sadly the guys with 3,000,000 forum posts are frothing at the mouth disagreeing and making personal insults.

Katitof disagrees
Omegawarrior disagrees
NEVEC disagrees

For me that's strong eveidence that Vindicare has made a good point.


I think balance is the best it's been right now, the game's really fun. But every time I watch replays and casts I see certain things sticking out for the allies. Demo, Calliope, riflespam, maximspam (vs OKW), and various other things. I think they need a slight tweak.

I'm not disagreeing with the fact that more aggressive factions do better in the hands of highly skilled players. But you yourself say that balance is in a good place, but then then talk about nerfing heavily factio dependent units like maxim and rifles. How do you plan on doing that without ruining balance. Every single unit's effectiveness in USF depends on rifles, and we have already seen what happened when they had weaker vet and maxim is the only reliable way to deal with infantry other then doctrinal elite infantry. Nerf these things and balance will crumble.

USF in particular would need to be rebuilt from the ground up to make them less reliant on rifles. And we are going to do all this for what? So that a couple of dozen players can have a perfectly even winrate against each other.

Besides the vast majority of vindicares points are only really about ostheer (who is actually doing the best in 1v1 overall). OKW has a really good early game and light vehicles. Ostheers early game would mostly be fixed with making the 222 a little beefier.

if you read through the thread you would know hes referring to the highest skill matchups, not just the average on ladder.

Yeah he is talking about top 20 players, which is ridiculous. It's way too small of a sample size, and can be completely effected by the individual strengths and weaknesses of the few players in the sample. If we make significant balance changes according to that then at that point we are buffing players not factions, and the other 1000 will suffer for it. Top 100 is a much better statistic to look at for even higher level player balance.

That isn't to say they shouldn't try to remove high level cheese tactics, like RE spam, but they have already shown they are willing to do that.