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Thread: SU-85; The Thread18 Jul 2013, 21:17 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2013, 20:30 PMdarkerdayzud Im a German player only, and I dont think SU85 is OP or broken. Any decent player can safely deal with this tank using ATguns, Shrecks, Pfausts, P4s and so on... The thing is slow....can be flanked...and does jackshit to infantry. ATguns demolish it....Shrecked Pgrens also. I personnally love to circle strafe it with a P4....grab a doctrine with Tank smoke...bring a single Gren squad..PanzerFaust it...and just run around it. The only thing an SU85 requires to be beaten...is smart play. Get smart. Thank you for saying this. I think the su-85 really needs to be as effective as it is, just because there is nothing else that covers it's role. The SU-85 seems to be op for those who play against it because it is the direct counter to what is German meta of using tanks as their main strike force. It isn't like it doesn't have counters. Shrecked Pgrens, PAKs, Ferdinand, the buildable Pak. Are all great at destroying them. That said they could be more expensive, but that would leave a huge gap for players who go for tier 4. If I would suggest anything it would be to make the SU-85 20 or so more expensive fuel wise, and buff SU-76's penetration so it can effectively damage PZ4s and be a good stopgap unit. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Elephan, Tiger; Usleless14 Jul 2013, 12:23 PM I believe that you are right about some prices issues there is something that I think you are overlooking. The elephant is not really a counter to T34s. Now hear me out. Of course the elephant can destroy T34s very well when kept at range, but why buy the most expensive and slow tank out there to do this. The t34 is a fast nimble tank and all it takes is one ram to make your elephant worthless and its too slow to dodge it at all. The pz4, panther, pak, even the stug can do the same at a much better cost and you can buy multiple of them for a single elephant. Now you might be wondering then what is the Elephant good for if it doesn't destroy T34s. Well what about all those SU-85s that have been oh so popular lately. They blow up if even glanced at by the elephant. ISU, IS2 all countered by the elephant. That being said I do believe all heavy tanks call ins are a bit too expensive at the moment, but the elephant is ,out of all of them, is closer to what it should be due to its insane armor and range making it nearly impossible to beat by conventional means in certain situations. In: COH2 Balance

Thread: SU-85; The Thread18 Jul 2013, 21:17 PM

18 Jul 2013, 20:30 PMdarkerdayzud

Im a German player only, and I dont think SU85 is OP or broken.

Any decent player can safely deal with this tank using ATguns, Shrecks, Pfausts, P4s and so on...

The thing is slow....can be flanked...and does jackshit to infantry.

ATguns demolish it....Shrecked Pgrens also.

I personnally love to circle strafe it with a P4....grab a doctrine with Tank smoke...bring a single Gren squad..PanzerFaust it...and just run around it.

The only thing an SU85 requires to be beaten...is smart play.

Get smart.

Thank you for saying this. I think the su-85 really needs to be as effective as it is, just because there is nothing else that covers it's role.

The SU-85 seems to be op for those who play against it because it is the direct counter to what is German meta of using tanks as their main strike force. It isn't like it doesn't have counters. Shrecked Pgrens, PAKs, Ferdinand, the buildable Pak. Are all great at destroying them.

That said they could be more expensive, but that would leave a huge gap for players who go for tier 4.
If I would suggest anything it would be to make the SU-85 20 or so more expensive fuel wise, and buff SU-76's penetration so it can effectively damage PZ4s and be a good stopgap unit.

In: COH2 Balance

Thread: Elephan, Tiger; Usleless14 Jul 2013, 12:23 PM

I believe that you are right about some prices issues there is something that I think you are overlooking. The elephant is not really a counter to T34s.

Now hear me out. Of course the elephant can destroy T34s very well when kept at range, but why buy the most expensive and slow tank out there to do this. The t34 is a fast nimble tank and all it takes is one ram to make your elephant worthless and its too slow to dodge it at all. The pz4, panther, pak, even the stug can do the same at a much better cost and you can buy multiple of them for a single elephant.

Now you might be wondering then what is the Elephant good for if it doesn't destroy T34s. Well what about all those SU-85s that have been oh so popular lately. They blow up if even glanced at by the elephant. ISU, IS2 all countered by the elephant.

That being said I do believe all heavy tanks call ins are a bit too expensive at the moment, but the elephant is ,out of all of them, is closer to what it should be due to its insane armor and range making it nearly impossible to beat by conventional means in certain situations.

In: COH2 Balance