The thing is that Wehrmacht T4 isn't really a necessity.
If you think about it, OH T4 is somewhat a step above Allied top tiers. SU T4 is about medium armor (a generalist and a TD) and artillery. USF T3? Medium armor (one generalist, one TD) and artillery (which is actually just a Sherman HE shooter with more range and less durability).
Meanwhile, OH T4 includes a heavily armored tank hunter which can face pretty much anything with armor in the game meaningfully, a gigantic assault gun that destroys anything without armor, and a shitty artillery piece that, at one time, did a decent job softening enemy positions. In their T3, however, you find medium armor: one generalist, one TD, and a manraping flak tank.
If OH just stops at T3, while their enemies advance in tech, then the only thing their enemies will have which they won't is artillery, but the Allies aren't really that good at defending anyways, so their stock mortar can probably do the job.
Meanwhile, OH T4 contains unit which the Allied stock army simply doesn't. Allies don't have a well-armored stock tank hunter or a well-armored stock assault gun.
So why is it that everyone whines about OH T4 being out of reach? The Allies don't even have an equivalent tier, so be glad at least you have the chance to tech up and unlock units which are just plain better. If you think about it, it kind of does feel like OH gets an extra tier, when they have Panthers and Brummbars while the Allied stock is strangely devoid of things like the KV-1S or the Sherman Jumbo.
OH T4 is a luxury tier, an extra level above your opponents you can ascend to if you have the means, but in no way a neccessity. You can play effectively without it; I do it all the time. Clearly everyone else does too, considering how they constantly insist that T4 isn't worth it.
So don't complain about how your super-special luxury edition mega tier that your enemies don't even have is hard to get. If OH T4 had units which were absolute necessities, then I could see the argument. But as it is, the Allies seem to be stuck in the past while OH gets to pull out every cool late-war toy. The OH tech tree just plain goes further forwards, and that's why it's also the priciest.
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I don't think people are giving this a fair shakedown. If a squad saw the gun was almost at it's limit when it started firing in real life, would they drop to the ground where they are or try to get past it?
OP is proposing that a squad maneuvering around the flanks would be more bold whereas a squad staring down the tripod's centerline would hold.
This is neither clear cut nor unworthy of discussion. An interesting idea really. |
See, I'm not saying the P4 should be under priced because of the fuel penalty. I'm saying it's currently overpriced and the fuel penalty makes the overprice all the more painful and important to fix, in my opinion
I'm a fucking fool for thinking people on this forum can keep their cool |
Any word on the tech trees, units, ect? What is the main squad for the Brits? |
I love how I suggest an incredibly marginal fuel adjustment (5 fuel on 135 isn't even really a fucking buff. It's so marginal it may as well be a tweak) and everyone jumps on either a massive nerf or buff bandwagon, or "OKW are broken I'm angry gimme attention!!111!11!!" |
Go for Panther if you have AI covered, go for PIV is you have AT covered. More often than not you will need more AI as OKW if you went a doctrine without elite call in troops or don't want to waste time with Obers.
Good combo would be PIV with Fortifications.
This. The P4 fits well with the Pak 43 in theory. |
It comes with free skirts. What else you can dream of? Mounted v-2 launchers? Too bad they are exclusive for brits. I can dream of an ever so marginal price adjustment to make it more in line with its performance and role |
I really like this change a lot! For those of you out of the loop, the P4 is now buildable from the Schwerer Panzer HQ for 360 MP and 135 fuel.
I fear though that the fuel cost is prohibitive. It's a medium tank for appreciably more than it's equals (on top of having the OKW fuel nerf). I mean, the tank is good, but not 135 fuel + OKW fuel nerf good. And it's a lot more fragile than a panther. A panther is "only" 40 more fuel. It's a hard sell to not try stick it out. So I'm afraid this unit won't see much love. A 5 or 10 fuel price adjustment is in line I think. Still, it has a lot of potential. |
The first thing infantry do when occupying a position, no matter how temporary, is to begin constructing covered positions.
And fuck, cover is a good asset against blobbers.
But yeah the Soviet sandbags have problems |
The latest series of patches, culminating with the upcoming July 21st patch, seems to indicate to me that we the customers and players have beaten the stubborn old guard at the top of Relic that refuses to change.
Seriously these were changes that a year ago were deemed on the border between impossible and insane. Call-ins are reduced and overhauled. Soviets are overhauled. The entire meta is overhauled. We win! And so I'm coming back to CoH 2.
Not that anyone cares or that I won't get my ass kicked |