Profile of Mauser

See, I don't want to sound harsh but this needs to be addressed bluntly.

Vet or not it does not matter - The SU-85 has additional range & it provides it's own line of sight. In no situation can you play defensive against SU-85s, other than PAK40's or Elephants which come FAR too late and both have glaring weaknesses (Artillery / Ram & Engine Damage).

All of this can be solved by requiring the SU-85 to have a unit scout for it. As of current it can play aggresive or defensive and switch these functions in a heartbeat. In games against good players I can count on one hand the amount of SU-85 kills I've made with shrecks and I can probably count the same number of squad deaths my PG's have sufferered to SU-85 when there supposed to be a "Hard" counter.

Fortunately Relic are balancing the early game, mid game and then late game and so we can hopefully see something in upcoming patches to address the SU-85 and Stug situation.

Don't get me wrong I agree with 100% of what you are saying, and this ties in to all of the arguments I have made much earlier in the thread.

I was just promoting the stug because i want it to be better and maybe its optimistic of me but it might be viable current patch, but i will only be able to confirm this after bout 50 games of testing it. Relic still needs to adress the su85 (wasn't touched in this patch), but i want to figure out possible makeshift solutions until they do. I find mines are one of the best counters.

My plan will be: (im just theory crafting here)

* go for early game domination with grens/flame ht.
* Unlock riegel at cp 1(brought down to 1cp this patch)
* plant riegels at chokes and get a stug asap.
* hold stug back and kill m3's with it to vet it if possible
* use stug/riegel combo to (possibly) stop su85 from pushing
* get mortar, to mortar the su85 and repair engis once it is immobilized by the riegel.
credit to Stephenn for the last bullet point, I saw him doing this to great effect
The same basic strat might also work with combination of panzer tactitian and late game pak43 or elefant since elefant doctrine also has riegels and scopes which should help the strat.

Mauser - Regardless of any points you bring to the table the SU-85 has more health, shoots the Stug before the stug even sees it and has a bigger health pool. In no situation other than a flat out flank from behind should a Stug beat a SU-85, patch or no patch. With the way scatter works even if the SU-85 has a miss it'll still hit the with a high percentage against the stug, small profile or not.

The stug hasn't been changed enough to make it viable it is still unviable to build one you might as well save for a PIV.

You might be right, I just, just wish the stug would be more viable. I am tired of always building p4 if i want to win. I like the p4 but i want to be able to build stugs on maps where i want to be more defensive. I agree that it probably needs a better buff than just a target size decrease, but i am not going to comment on wether the balance actually worked or not, until i have tried it in an actual game. Stug will at least come before the SU-85, giving it some time to vet up.

I would like to know exactly what "significantly reduces damage taken" means (this is vet 2 bonus). A vet 2 stug can be quite tough actually and killing a couple of those pesky m3's will help to vet it. It's questions like this that Makes me want to cry that the stat page was taken down. We really need an elaborate coh2 wiki with all the combat stats/commanders/unit stats and costs/bulletin stats etc etc.

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Still belive StuGs should get some sort of a "soft cloak" when hulled down.

Some sort of invisibility that forces you to get with something into lets say the range of 30, 40, 50 whatever to it.

This way you couldnt spot it with the (I)SU's scope alone but if you get any unit in actual fireing range you can spot it.

Yeah, would be sick, like the Germans used to camouflage it with its low profile. I really don't know why they just don't increase its range/LOS to equal that of the su85.

But doesn't have the stug have lower range than the su-85? So to get in range of the su85 the stug also has a much higher chance to get hit.

Yes that's true, assaulting with the stug will be hard, I was thinking more in the lines of using the stug defensively and then when the su85 tries to push the battle starts. I have ranted a lot about the stupidity of su85 out ranging the stug, but lets leave that for now.

I wonder if hulling down a stug on pripiyat will be viable... Would be nice if hull down gave range too, at leat it gives rate of fire, accuracy and defensive buffs. Thing is stug wont be able to turn but that map has the chokepoints that could make it worth while.

The only times i have used stugs effectively vs su85's was when he tried to push and my stugs were waiting. That was pre-patch however..

Maybe when you try to assault with stugs, because the stug is moving the su85 will have an even harder time to hit it?

hope not only coh1 maps will be in coh2 rankeds. Basically there was 5-6 map from the beginning in coh1 automatch? so booooring.

There are already a number of new maps, bringing the best old ones back is great. 5-6 maps boring huh? Dota has had one map for the last 10 years and it aint boring. Its all about balance. Sure they will make new maps, but if its not broke dont fix it. Bring back the best balanced maps from coh1 and maybe the community and/or relic will make some cool new ones too.

Having a ton of maps isnt great for competitive play. They can bring a lot more 2v2 3v3 and 4v4 maps, but 1v1 maps should not have a too large pool. Look at sc2 for example, not that many 1v1 maps.

I would like to see a downvoting feature though, and most importantly a ladder ranking system