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I wasn't really a fan of the changes because more RNG = less player control. The medium/heavy tanks do shrug it off a good amount of the time from the front, though. Sometimes you just get boned by the RNG (which makes for shitty games).

This problem I think actually stems all the way back to SU85 and nothing more. Because Ost -has- to chase to get the SU85 vs engaging at a normal tank fighting distance, the grenades will usually be from behind and will usually work. Not chasing means the SU can plink away with its colossal range. Chasing means you get AT naded from the rear and then SU finishes. Lose/lose in that situation.

The reason this concept worked so well in CoH1 was that there were no uber range, high survivability, high damage AT units for Americans. Stickies existed to punish over extending and bad micro, but the game didn't demand that you over extend.

Fix the SU85 and return ATnade and Faust to reduced damage, 100% pen engine damage. Except maybe on heavies, make it 50% or 25% or something. Then you're back to the CoH1 system of only punishing overextension.

This thread has devolved into pointless bickering, but I thought I'd bring up one interesting bit for anyone still unsure about the KV8.

When the best counter-argument is "it doesn't always insta-gib squads if you instantly retreat them upon contact", I think that alone speaks wonders. If the unit requires instant retreat or risk being wiped really fast, that's an issue.

Some units require retreating reasonably quickly to avoid getting wiped, like Ostwind, or are slower/take a while to close the distance to effective range, like Shock/PGren, but nothing comes close to the KV8.

Again, bad doctrine, bad faction, bad cost, whatever. None of it justifies a unit like that. Fixing the doctrine, fixing the faction, tweaking the costs will all come.

Nobody sane is saying "nerf KV8 but ignore any German OP stuff like MG42". This is a thread about KV8, so focus on that.

There's really nothing to argue one way or another. It consistently gibs entire squads regardless of vet in the blink of an eye.

That's it - end of story.

It doesn't matter if it costs 4000 MP and 8000 fuel. It doesn't matter if it comes out at the 45 minute mark. It doesn't matter if it's 12CP.

This is Company of Heroes, where unit preservation and veterancy and combined arms are key. Anything that does what the KV8 does, with small exceptions for lucky artillery strikes, completely breaks that aspect of the game.

Let's not turn Snipers into VCOH Snipers - They were op as hell.

I've been toying around with what it would be like if snipers were made doctrinal. That could justify fixing some of their issues and letting them be powerful, because it could be limited in other ways based on the other abilities and whatnot.

Back OT: Yes, snipers should hit things reliably. It's the sole point of the expensive and fragile unit.

Plz do not try to fix what is not broken. These super units (Elephant and ISU152) have many week points and can be countered with ease. Many Russian players ignore 152mm howitzer but it is great unit against pretty much everything including Elephant (esp with Vet 1 ability).

I'm not saying at all that they're uncounterable or that they don't have weaknesses. Just that they're not well designed (in my opinion obviously) and make for stagnant games.

Imagine if the KT in vCoH could fire halfway across the map. Snooze. Far, far less interesting, tactical, and fun than wading knee deep into the frontline and causing some action there.