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this isnt an argument and i personnally dont care about how good you are.

stormtroops would add a lot to T1-T3 allowimg more diverse openings and might get rid of this forced mid-game T1 units spamm while going t1-t3

LOL for the first sentence

Also, I agree.

SU85 is a balanced unit~

I was going to say, this game was all Ostheer's to lose. Soviet wasn't "turtling" - he was literally pushed off the map into his base and Hans threw away numerous P4s. The easy win would've been to sit back, build the howitzer, and let VPs tick down while barraging Soviet base.

Right, now replace Hans with a Soviet player and tell me...could an Ostheer come back from that? No.

Seen the same for vcoh multiple times over the years, and the same topics as well. My prediction is that eventually all of the nay sayers will leave (will take probably another year or so) leaving the usual fans of the game playing, with a richly updated game over the next year. If you don't feel like playing coh2 right now then don't, just play something else and wait for decent game updates.

Maybe I'm just too experienced of Relic's development cycle over the past 7 years and I've seen this all before, whereas for a lot of people this kind of thing is new. A lot of people are comparing coh2 to the 7 year old vcoh, and not to the 2 month old vcoh which was a completely different game and community.

LOL oh come on now -

Just because you toured their office and probably have some sickle swag laying around doesn't mean you can troll people with statements like that. Some people are just critical because they like the game and were hoping it would be a booming success instead of the sequel slump we all feared when the financial problems went public. Chat, leaderboard, in game friends options, map selection, custom lobbies, etc. were all features that were in the 1.0 release of vCoH which I continue to point out was 2006. These are things that while not what people would call "game breaking" are certainly essential in the expansion and retention of the multiplayer population. If I didn't know my way around CoH2.org, how would I know who is any good at the game? Where do I rank among my peers? If I didn't know anyone else who played the game, how can I play some arranged team games? How the fuck do I not play Rhzev, winter Pripyat, or summer Pripyat 5x in a row?

You are forgetting that this is the team that introduced ToV, made money off the good name of VCoH, and ran off most of the community of players that were extraordinarily good, players who beta tested their game that put them on the map. They left because they didn't like being rolled up on by 5 indestructible kangaroos for a year. You were probably the only remnant of that class playing CoH before this released.

If Relic has some sort of vision of a "development cycle" then it's one that lacks a lot of foresight. That release was 7 years ago and this neglect is showing us, the customer who coughed up 60$ and some suckers @ 90$ buying a CE on good faith, that the game is not currently designed to keep one playing multiplayer. 7 years in this current game market is about 6 years 8 months too long. People literally turn the channel and have very little patience unless there is something that keeps them coming back. Why do you think the CoD franchise is so popular? Starcraft? LoL? Dota 2? You think those consumers are just peons who don't understand that it takes 7 years to really create a good game?

I actually feel that against unprepared opponents a flame ht is just as devastating to infantry early game as a kv8 is to infantry late game. I think the problem with both flame vehicles is the range of the flamethrowers; microed well they can both avoid getting at naded or panzerfausted so that allows them to cut through infantry like hot knife through butter... sure the kv8 kills infantry quicker but it costs 3x as much and hits the field nearly 3x later so in essence 3 flame hts should kill as quick if not quicker than 1 kv8. I think the lesson in both cases is not to fight either one with infantry; whether you're using shrecked pgs or AT guns against either the flame ht or kv8 than you're playing to your opponents strengths considering those are still infantry units.

I don't understand these statements. They are based on ridiculous theoretical comparisons. It's actually painful to read.

3 flame HTS would cost 360 munitions...

You also realize that guards and At nades perfectly counter the Flame ht? Guards in a M3 counter it even better because they are protected from flame. This is simply not the same for Ostheer, and I'm really starting to question the legitimacy of more than half this board. Do you guys actually play both sides? What is the Ostheer supposed to use to combat the KV8? Ethnic slurs? Prayer? Hope? Is that doctrinal like guards? Because if that works, sign me up. Should I built 1 pak or 6 because it will take about 5-6 direct hits from a Pak (Pak is currently missing/not penetrating armor at a rate of 1 out of 3 shots). The Kv8 will liquidate 2 paks in a matter of seconds (I stop at 2 because building anymore than 2 Paks @ 360 mp is stupid and unrealistic...oh, kind of like building 3 flame hts). The Kv8 will liquidate grens with shreks in one burst, two grens with shreks in two bursts (that's 720 mp and 240 munitions pps). The P4 is a decent counter but it has a painstakingly difficult time penetrating the Kv8 armor. If the Kv8 is the only armor/AT on the field the Soviet player is 1. stupid or 2. stupid. The P4 will take damage whilst trying to engage the KV8 for some extended length of time.

Please stop the stupid.