a minor damage reduction against yellow cover (10%) maybe it all that it needs. Greencover will protect you and squad usually spread out in open cover.
The issue is more to do with when the squad is bunched up next to a bush.
DPS = RoF. That has nothing to do with accuracy, target size, cost, utility, turret, damage and vet. If we were just going off DPS the StuG should win any tank v tank fight EVER
vipper's chart did use consistent target for the Firefly and jp4, and take into account accuracy, target size, and damage.
Technically it's cromwell and pz4, but it doesn't actually make a different for the two TD. they have the same size and same pen chance for the firefly and jp4 (> 100%)
and jp4 veterancy lean toward survivability. It's the only TD to get cloak as a vet ability and the only td to get a health boost. Like wise the Firefly is the only TD to get a damage boost. They have their own unique bonus instead of copy and paste.
JP and FF have the same accuracy values bad FF get 110% bonus from the commander and it has a mid value 150% bigger than JP making more accurate.
At range 60 FF has an accuracy of 0.044 while JP has an accuracy of 0.04, at range 45 firefly has an accuracy of 0.055 while the JP of 0.045. Firefly is simply more accurate than the JP.
none of which is properly represented in your outdated chart. Even with the high accuracy the FF's dps is still substantially lower than the jp4.
the tank commander is also another upgrade that add to the Firefly's already expensive cost.
This wouldn't be an issue if the Firefly isn't the most expensive tech TD in the game.
FF is more accurate than the JP for 2 reason:
1) Tank commander increases FF accuracy
2) Having mid range x1.5 further away means that the accuracy increase faster the closer you get.
Not Really, DPS without armor and target size value and at different ranges is not a very revealing comparison.
if you are going to cite your chart in an arguement, you should make sure the chart is updated.
the FF accuracy value is outdated, its accuracy was nerfed to the same as the jp4.
and even the, note how Axis TD consistently outdps the allied TD. The three highest dps value in the chart at 60 is the jagdtiger, the APCR jackson, and the jp4.
the four highest at 50 is the jagdtiger, stug, APCR jackson, and jp4.
the jackson need to spend munition to temporarily achieve the kind of dps achievable natively by the Axis TD.
I'd say 380-400MP, 140F AND 14 pop!! 12 pop is outrageous for that much power and scaling. Idk why you want that so much. If the JP4 was or p4 was 12 pop then fine, they're not though.
380 mp, 140 F, and same pop as the Jp4 (IE 14) is a good number.
Yes, but the current "OP" TDs i.e. the jackson and StuG are not what we should be using for a buff benchmark. Like I said, a small cost tweak and it'd be golden.
I still remember the stats on the old Su-85 and jackson before the buff, and what they costed.
It's not a mystery what a "balanced" TD should look like, we just need to look back. (although the old jackson did had some problem, they patch applied a wrong solution.)
Actually right now the Firefly have a reasonable performance, it is just too expensive.
and I've repeatedly cite 380 mp 135 fuel 12 pop. You keep saying "small" cost tweak and give no figure.
That's like me saying the JP4 alpha shot shouldn't apply because it lacks a turret and is forced to rotate which gives it a 0.5 acc debuff... in practice.
if we are doing direct comparison between the jp4 and the Firefly, remember that the Firefly is notably more expensive than the jp4.
You expect the Firefly to be the best tech TD in the game considering its cost, but in reality it's a OK TD compared to other TD.
Its high penetration, and Alpha is balanced by the fact it have a long reload. DPS is slow for a TD.
its turret and balanced by the slow rotational rate, and slow speed.
The Firefly is a good TD, but it isn't the best TD. Therefore the Firefly should be significantly cheaper.
380 mp 135 fuel 12/13 pop is hardly "cheap" either. That's more expensive than the regular medium tanks.
Im a little weary of a FF buff because of the superiour tracking skill in hammer... Plus tulips are pretty great if a bit expensive. That said i think your target of 35 fuel and 12 pop seems reasonable to me
the tracking last ten seconds, and the Firefly is slower than most tanks to begin with.
You can get a second shot if you're lucky.
beside. I'm not asking for a reload buff. 200 damage with 8s reload is fine.
440 mp 155 fuel 14 pop is borderline extortion for the FF's performance. That isn't including the tulip upgrade cost.
You mention nothing about how its midrange modifier is well above the standard TD, which gives it insane accuracy. 12 popcap is just a big no. The unit could use a SMALL tweak in the cost department. There is no need to COMPLETELY rework the entire unit when small changes could easily fix some of its outlying issues.
the Firefly's mid range advantage is the mid range distance, not modifier, and in effect it only affect accuracy and Penetration.
secondly, Firefly isn't really more accurate in practice.
both the firefly and jp4 get .04/.05/.06 accuracy scaling. Against a 22 size target that's already a 88% hit rate at 60m. The FF will hit 100% accuracy faster, but this is the kettle calling the pot black.