We shouldn't draw any conclusions after just 3 days of a new patch.
Yes we should wait until the Cohrona cup is ruined to make the most basic 5IQ change to nerf sections which everyone at high ranks has acknowledged are broken, even Noggano and Asha.
The clip I posted was just to emphasize the point, if you want to watch why Sections are truly broken just watch the Noggano vs Asha best of 5 series that Gaddafi hosted. |
So you agree we should be removing it from pfuss as well?
Agree? I’d straight up remove the entire G43 upgrade if it were up to me.
Make them a call in AT squad and be done with it. |
I don't know why you'd accuse me of deliberately downplaying it when I said it is powerful and that it might be something that could be toned down. Furthermore 45 sight range only when vet 1 and when stationary in cover, even if powerful, is noticeably worse than vet 0 50 sight range while moving that squads like Pathfinders and JLI have. Even Pioneers have 42 sight range regardless of being stationary or in cover.
Yeah but those are specialist squads, mainlines only have 35 sight. If Volks had 45 sight at vet 1 it would be a huge issue.
I don't understand why the spotting bonus isn't just moved to Pyro Sections completely. Consider UKF already has extra sight on most of their tanks with tank commander and on the AEC. It makes AT guns and HMG's very oppressive.
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The only one with out argument is you. I have presented a lot of arguments as you can see. Such as stats, link to VODs etc.
If UKF are considered super OP by all these people (proof where?) then why didnt they bother giving the balance team feedback during the months of testing? It's always the same, people dont help with playing the mod then cry about when a patch hits live.
Repeating “Brits were not OP last 2v2 tourney” every time you post is not an argument, people have told you already that it might be due to unfamiliarity or players not fully utilizing sections spam or just an issue that’s more prevalent in 1v1.
As for the “proof where” I gave you a VOD as well, you might as well have a look at Noggano vs Asha and how hopeless the crossroads game was. |
To be honest it seems more like a certain group of people is trying to completely blow the UKF buffs out of proportion because they don't play the faction and want it nerfed.
Ah yes, if you don’t have an argument try to disqualify those you disagree with. Classic.
As for top players, ask Noggano and Luvnest what they think about Brits. |
RIP heavies so no more heavy cav meta, can go airborne and recon support in peace.
Urban Assault for me.
Nothing like baiting a pak wall into firing at my M4A3 dozer, only for CalliOP to delete it. |
Someone send this to ImperialDane to be casted.
PRAISE ULLUGOD
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Why the hell would you want to, on 1v1, match UKF IS 1on1 with Grens when you can open up with sniper?
You can’t go early sniper vs UKF since they now have countersnipe.
It has been argued that Ostheer are simply loosing to superior player.
Is the link to the whole game? Because from what I see in the clip that axis team seem to have an advantage but without the rest of the game it is difficult to tell.
https://m.twitch.tv/videos/590431590
Near the end on Eindhoven.
Self spotting is not a thing for infantry. All infantry is self spotting. The standard sight range is 35 and the max range for small arms is 35 too.
He means the vet 1 sight bonus in cover. He talked about it during his stream. Section behind sandbag on right fuel on rachnaya spotted a grenadier capping the nearby strategic point.
The foaming at the mouth from stormjager or incrounds is really crazy to me,.
Solid arguments, but I think I’ll take top players like miragefla, seeking, fire and terror and orangepest agreeing with me over a guy who has never touched high level games. |
Jesus H Christ what the fuck am I reading here.
Alright fellas, you better strap in because I'm about to show you why sections are fucking ridiculous, Let's begin with the early game where they are at their weakest- Oh, wait they're fucking not.
So this is where the section problems begin, right out of the fucking gate, so ask yourself why are sections stronger early game?
Simple, they have a numbers advantage because they start with their mainline right out of the game, ostheer and okw both have engineer units who are CQC oriented right? So on a pound to pound basis where your mainline production is going to be similar (4 volks/3volks+1fusi, 3grens/4grens) You are going to be outnumbered because the meta is going 5 sections, now you could make the case that trying to equal the numbers out is viable (its not really the case, as i've tried time and time again vs brits with 5 volks doesn't work)
So from out of the gate on a quality level he's going to have an advantage, on some maps, this may be weaker, but as you can see in the clips earlier, getting close with grens is a fool's quest, it doesn't allow you to actually trade well because you'll lose half the squad so fucking quickly and then he can retreat away with having suffered no bleed at all.
Alright so that's the first problem out of the way, now let's throw in the rest
They get self spotting at vet 1
They get self-healing which means they can be on the map constantly with no drawback while everyone else has to retreat
they get sandbags and trenches which is way stronger in their hands than any other unit because of the cover bonus
And (I'm not 100% this is true but I've heard it before) they get a 25% faster cap rate.
So from the initial engagements, it's not unrealistic to actually being forced to charge right on to a sandbag section. So let me ask you this as a follow-up. Should i be rewarded for making a sandbag and sitting my ass down to hold a point despite it requires almost no effort on my end? and almost thrice the effort of my opponent to push me out?
Quite frankly sandbgs have no place on ANY mainline infantry and should be promptly removed.
Moving on
Trading efficiency
Fun fact, normal greens are completely irrelevant in the brit matchup because you cannot on any level trade efficiently and have to spend 60 munis on another gren to compete with the sections+ veterancy to get the remotest of chances to compete with them.
The simple reason is well grens cost 30 to reinforce sections cost 28 mp to reinforce, so now you're at a situation where you cannot win most of the engagements you take that are going to be one on one and even if you do you still come out losing manpower wise.
So i could go on about this forever (lmg upgrades being fucking ridiculously strong for example, assault being retarded, officer having free recon, AEC timing negating 222s and 250s, the amazing teching they get which allows for 11 minute cromwells. or the fact that you get a premium high end Comet with phopshours,smoke,blitz,grenades and amazing armour which allows you to bounce KTs. The command aura from churchills having abusrdly strong bonuses. ect ect) but I won't because it's quite frankly a waste of time since I have a feeling most of you will just ignore what I'm saying anyway. So let's move over to what i think is a good solution
My suggestion for a solution that i think would work, get rid of sandbags, trenches, give them five man out of the gate, get rid of the coverbonus, decrease their firepower and reduce their cost if need be and give them a snare if its so fucking desperate to deal with LVHs. Reduce the AECs anti infantryt pintle and make treadbreak not get stronger with vet. make the vickers 50 muni per, Make assault sections lose their phosp grenade, and increase the last tech level for brits so the cromwell doesn't get the best timing in the game.
Preach
I don't understand why this thread has blown up..
Because if this was the soviets and they tried to build a 10 conscript army, they’d get deleted. Brits just delete the opposition easily.
The clip is extremely telling, the section blob out-trades the Ost player all game until it reaches critical mass and wipes half his army.
Not to mention the two players from that clip, miragefla and seeking, both agree there’s a huge issue with Sections, while other high level players like Noggano also agree.
If anything I’m surprised so many people are defending this state that sections are in.
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Glory to the TR clan for demonstrating the OPness of Sections.
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