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But it wasn't

Also Italy runs until May 2nd. The first prototypes appeared in May.

The first prototype was done in January, the last was done in May.

Is isn't. We could have gotten historical, linear campaign similar to CoH2 (but ofc with better research)

How is alternate history not fantasy to you?
Also: Why you mention Panther II but not Maus? This tank was completed.

But we don't. They have already taken a big bold step away from a linear, historically faithful campaign. They want to give players the option to wage the war to their liking, and even in the most liberal levels of feedback review they won't gut the freestanding campaign in lieu of a linear one now. The work has been done.

We have a campaign where we get to make our own decisions on the method and direction of the war.

In this context, the Black Prince makes perfect sense, and doesn't break any rule that the campaign does not already discard by default - i.e. only making the same decisions about where to use X unit as was done historically.

The campaign is alternate history. That's what we got.

How is not wanting prototype tanks that never saw action in a WW2 game absurd?

Because it's a WW2 alternate history campaign to begin with.

The difference is that one thing was at least used while the other thing (the BP) was never used. So it is less of a stretch. Also I still would like it if there were no Tiger IIs / Panzer Is in Italy so no, it is not "no problem" for me

You're welcome to this opinion, but the format of the campaign makes such restrictions entirely arbitraty.

Don't use 'em if you don't want to. But Relic are letting people run the campaign in the manner they choose. So... others will disagree. And they will use them.


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I see no reason why we shouldn't replace the BP with a Firefly or Comet. from the wiki:
in game we could just give the firefly/comet extra frontal armor.

My humble assumption is that other British Campaign Units will have the comet and firefly as the end of their tech trees.

The heavy, lumbering armour company gets the BP.

Hey namecalling. That convinced me.

If they inculded the Maus I would have opened the same thread. It is about a post war prototype being used in a game that is specifically designed and announced to be special because it is MID WAR.

I mean. It's Italy. Italy runs until '45.

Sure, you can't make everything 100% historically accurate, for the reason you stated, but that isnt what I said either, you're strawmanning.

Even in this case, using totally ahistoric units that werent actually participating in the conflict is hardly one of the unavoidable elements of historical inaccuracy. There are plenty of units/vehicles around to fill the same role as the BP, and they actually participated in WWII.

From a campaign perspectrive?

We get to pick what our fictional commanders send on fictional missions for fictional generals in fictional operations. That's fine for the bar of historical platitudes, apparently.

We can choose to request planes that never landed at X airfield or did Y raid over Z location, and that's fine for desired standard of historical accuracy. We can ship more of a vehicle than existed, never mind served. We can mix and match gear and manpower and hardware and send it to places where literally nobody foguht for brutal slug fests with enormous axis or allied armies.

But a commander requests a vehicle that's sat in the mainland UK to be shipped to the front line, and suddenly that's where the line in the sand emerges... that's the step too far. Now it's a problem?

You're already accepting that none of the battles you do in the campaign are true to reality, using hardware and material and locations that's ahisoirical but available to the army in question.

The BP... is ahistorical, but available to the army in question.

Why is there suddenly so much straw here ?

Just because one doesn't want a non WW2 tank in a WW2 game doesn't mean that he wants a 100% accurate simulator game

A tank produced before the end of WW2 is a WW2 tank. Just not one that saw combat.

The bob semple is a WW2 tank too.

Man. I had to go back and check, and yes. Wrong V. It has been a long time since I played the original, Mea Culpa.

But to pivot back to how it's relevent to the BP - it's still wholly arbitraty to pretend the series is historically accurate, so long as only units which saw combat on are allowed in regardless of how wildly inaccurate they actually are.

Self piloting, spotting, autonomous RC car Goliaths are not a real thing. But so long as the box looks like a real thing, it makes it into the game, and that's fine?

But somehow it's a prototype tank actually being shipped to the front that breaks the vaunted 'immersion'.

Wanting to adhere to largely accurate units is fine. I can get it. But the BP, specifically, is a really small deviation from the norm, much less egreigous than some of their other liberties with history, and serves a clear purpose to fill out an empty spot in the roster / meta.