Profile of murky depths

In that game that AE cast, it looked like the sim city got countered pretty well.

Then again, Stuve is one of the recent tournament winners, so he's probably a pretty good player regardless of what strategy he uses.

So, you know, that's a bad example.

And so, another artillery hell team game was created.

One could try 2 ST 2 MP 40 and cost to 280(?) and pop down to 7, they could then upgrade when truck is set up.

Imo they should be replaced as starting unit with VG.

I don't disagree, though I don't know how it would play out in actual gameplay.

@distrofio, my favorite axis faction is OKW, so yes I am aware that it's a bad idea to run SPs into an infantry section. You'd have to avoid going the direct route, flank, or otherwise not take the obviously bad engagement. Same way it's a bad idea to let SPios close the gap on conscripts.

Anyway, my comment was aimed in context at what Vipper said and not to be interpreted as a general "nerf okw plx". Only complaint I have about OKW (when playing as allies) is JLI + Sector Assault.

If the issue is that AEs have a chance against sturmpios (though in my use of AE and as OKW I find it's about 50/50 of who gets better position+rng), why not change their price to be 300mp?

I would consider that fair given they have a lot of utility outside of smg brawlers, same as sturms.

I don't think it would be a good idea to turn them into a 4 man squad, unless the price would drop significantly to reflect that.

Nevermind that Volks can still engage them from a distance.

A vet-2 comet, an SU-85, and a ptrs penal squad throwing a satchel that catch a jagdtiger off guard from behind and block it from moving. Yeah that's... let's just say that the jagdtiger was gone without the AT overwatch being called in.

edit: I'll level with you tho, I don't think the ability should wipe tanks -- but the triple nerf it got (glorious Relic rule of 3) has made it not very worth it in the 100-200 rank play in team games.

If that range of play doesn't matter, then feel free to disregard my input.

The delay means you can leave the circle pretty confidently, and even if the first few shots land, they won't do enough damage because it's damage was cut in half and it was given a penetration value instead of the 'guarantee to pen' that all other artillery gets.

Point is that as of now, it's less than a quarter of the ability it was when first released -- and it was OP at that time, no doubt, but the over correction has now made it a disappointing waste of muni.

I'd rather have a p47 style AT loiter or Stuka CAS ability than what it currently is tbh.

As you said, that can be countered.

In terms of actual suggestion I stand by what I said. Keep the delay, keep the penetration value (I accept these two nerfs) but return some of the damage to 90. That's not even a full return, it's only a 50% return.

I think I am being reasonable in suggesting that. If the patch team/relic say "no", then so be it. I'll probably just use that as a "wait for some guy to bunch his pwerfers up together" ability than to actually kill anything heavier than an OKW p4.