Profile of Maret

Really, current SU-76 situation highly reminde me old pgrens. In old times you need built T2 to get them and after that, they were very costly unit and OH always have better variants to not built them. They were out of timeframe and OH startegies. SU-76 in the same spot.

SU have only 2 opening: T2 or T1.

T2:
1. 4 cons, 2 enges. It give good map control. DIfference in this openning - 2 flamers or flamer + minesweeper. 2 flamers with Merge give you very strong firepower in early game, especially vs OKW. But you need to pay attention about mines in future. Enemy always focusing flamer, you nedd constantly merging it to save firepower.
2. You can build medstation after 3-rd con or after 4-th. If i lost early pressure i made early medkit.
3. AT grens.
4. You can make Molotovs from start of the game, they pretty good on some maps, to block enemy cover, or make MG-42 to retreat.
5. Use Hoora to go through MG-42 zone. 1-st squad go front, while 2-nd with hoora make flanking.
6. USe Merge to heal team weapons. Use merge to heal your veteran cons by newbie cons.
7. Don't merge shocks (only in desperate situation, to save from wipe), plate armor not sharing. But if you only need raw firewpower, you can use merging, to save MP.

T1:
1. 3 penals. WIthout M3. Good against OH. You only need to be aware about HMG.
2. M3 with flamer against OKW very strong openning. OKW got faust much later than OH. Also, if OH go to aggressive coomander with assault grenadiers and pgrens, M3 flamer will punish this strat pretty hard.
3. PTRS give you time to fight against 222 or flameht. Better have 1 squad to not lose AI power for other penals. But in bad situation you can make 2-nd. ALso you can fully avoid PTRS if you have commander with guards. It;s very strong, but very MP consuming.
4. Sniper good in team games. But it need very good control.


T3:
1. 99% cases you have only one unit - t-70. Against OH you need minesweeper, or you can die on teller.
2. Against OH you can build M5 quad. Quadgun can fight against 222 if you close enough, it will kill 222. But don't fight against 222 on long ranges. Also you will save fuel for your next T4 and will give it much sooner. Very risky against OKW, luchs will kill M5 without any efforts. But if you have good AT support (baby-at guns as examples) you could try it.


Commanders picks depend from personal choice.
I like Lend-lease, because i can call-in M5 with guards on 3-rd point WIHOUT building my T3. It completely ruin any HMG spam. WHile lend-lease guards very good on CQC. Also fuel drops give you very early T4. BUt you must save your ammo, for quad gun on start. That means - no mines, no molotovs.
IS-2 with shocks and T-85 with guards still pretty good like 100 years ago.
Defensive doc very strong option for T1 openning. You don't need buy PTRS, it means your penals always have full firepower. Also Dushka give you crowd control. IF you have enough micro, spam light AI mines.

Some tricks:

1. Plant demo in bushes or behind building (rotate camera to find dead point).
2. Plant flare mines - they cheap, very cheap. Very good counter to falls spam. Also hurt OH pretty good.

Why is everyone wanting every TD to be "only counter heavy tanks" like heavy tanks are in every game. Panther comes with it's speed and armour and then what? Basically you want to force allies to make zook spams to deal with mediums. Pj4 from OKW (TD) is the same as SU-85 and nobody ever complains about it. It's a perfect medium TD. ~200 penetration with 230 frontal armour and 4.3 sec reload and target size 17.

I just want to make +1 unit playable in T3 not only t-70. Stugs, P4s, panthers and JP4 easily penetrate every SU stock armor. But from other side, each of them have clear, distinct role. And no one will built Panther, JP4 or stug to deal with lonely t-34. Against medium spam or KV-1 spam, why not? It will be good choice.

You can easily see why ally TDs have the advantages they have. They have to go vs fast heavily armoured Panther and often enough Tigers and OKW P4s.

Leave the ally TDs alone. You nerf SU-85, Panthers (stock) roll over the Soviet armoured divisions unless you get doctrinal tanks.

Don't get me wrong, your changes are not bad, just that Panthers which are stock would be much more inclined to dive SU-85 due to the lower ROF. Utilize speed to make SU-85 constantly in "tracking" mode and not firing.

Yea, Panther have speed, especially when blitz become available. But even now, you can easily dive su-85 with panther, high ROF don't prevent diving. Diving means only that SU player make big mistake and not defend its TD by infantry support.
I really like how OST armor is now. Every unit have place.P4 as good generalist, Panther against TD or mediums, stug as cheap AT against almost everything (much more close to ATG on weels than su-76), brummbar to head-on assault and werfer to punish team-weapons spam. While SU plays only t-34 and su-85 almost every game and katy when enemy have too many team weapon. SU-76 don't have place in any timeframe, in any loadout.

Just add ability to lay mines like M20 have. Regular TM-35 (or light AT and AI mines). When T4 is deployed, ability to call smoke strike, similar to USF. Really SU don't have any off-map smokes and even their elite units have very restricted access to smoke.

Su-85 could be counted as essential stock unit for SU. Because only it have enough AT abilities against axis armor. But from other side - su-85 good against all armor, it have enough ROF to be big threat to mediums, that make all late-game the same.

My suggestion is make from it anti-heavy AT, not good-against-all-armor-unit. While role of anti-medium tool move to su-76. Decrease ROF, increase damage from 160 to 200. Than mediums still need the same 4 shots, but will be have much more time in battle against su-85, while heavy targets, like P5, tigers, KTs will be much more preferable targets (-1 shot for kill).

When T4 is deployed every SU-76 can got upgrade to damage and HP (160 damage total and HP enough not to get fausted from start). Cost of upgrade could be like 15 fuel and some MP to bring su-76 in pair wuth stug. In T3 could be make the same unlock for upgrade (like for cons). Cost could be close to cons unlock upgrade or another value.
It will bring Su-76 in-game and give for both units (SU-76 and su-85) 2 distinct roles. SU-76 good against mediums and lights, SU-85 preferable against top-tier targets.

Data from coh2db.com
All mediums have 640hp. 4 shots for old su85, 4 shots for new su-85
P5 have 960 hp 6 shots for old su85, 5 shots for new su-85
Tiger have 1040 hp 7 shots for old su85, 6 shots for new su-85
KT have 1280 hp 8 shots for old su85, 7 shots for new su-85