well technically the upgrades already do that...
for 50 muni u get
reduction to 17 mp per 80 HP model
30% DPS buff per model in cover
20% veterancy buff (remember that conscripts get crazy vet buffs)
+ 1 model (and 1 mosin)
In which timeframe i will get this? In my suggestion it will be early game. This why no one use cons, how you suppose to get Conc007 if you lose early and migame field pressure? Real situation when you lose earlier than T4 will be deployed and this cons007 will be usefull as "oxygen molecule for drowning man". |
Why don't make ppsh nondoc? Give to 1 ppsh when build t1 or t2 and buy 2 other when t3 builded?
If nondoc weapon looks to "heresy"... I already suggested not combat buffs to cons, but make them cheapier and lightier to maintain. Fast speed of reinforce when T1 or T2 builded, decreased cost of reinforce (16 mp instead 20) when medics deployed and fasten sandbag instead flare mines.
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Problem that this upgrade don't help at all. You can't play through cons, all cons openings looks like russian roulete. Much safier play through penals.
IMHO current SU roster of units looks so weird:
Cons - useless, upgrade too late, molotovs useless and need upgrade, AT nade need upgrade. Weaker cons need fuel investments to have some usage and this don't make them on pair with other infantry. You still lose any engagements in open field.
From T2 you need only ZIS because maxim and mortar useless in current meta;
From T3 you need only T-70, M5 only as AA unit, SU-76 - useless.
And only T4 usefull - all units have place in game.
We have situation where playable only - CE, T1, zis, t-70 and T4. All other units don't have place. 4 units (5 with M5) become underdogs. |
There is only one true soviet way to play against OKW (we condisder situation where your opponent have equal skill to yours) - penals. But, if you want to try cons you should use commanders with doctrinal weapon (ppsh or airborne).
Recently in Vonivan stream i saw some intersting build (that was more improvisation neither plan) - AT hunter doctrine. With this build your main goal it's try to survive when your t-70 will arrive. After it, you must cover it by AT cons from puma and luchs. You don't go to T4, instead - mass T-70 and mass cons with PTRS. T70's kills all OKW infantry while ptrs cons in stealth could heavily damage even p4 (2 squads could easily destroy it, if use AT nades). Then you could build howitzer do harras enemy base or mg's (if OKW will try to use them to stop cons).
But this build have one big disadvantage - you should have very good micro to not lose your t-70 and instantly dive your enemy with cons and t-70's. You couldn't sit in cover and wait.
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Maxim spam start is a available and working strategie...especially if you play team games on lane maps vs OKW. MG34 spam was never seen.
Give OKW Maxims and give SU mg-34 (called it SG-43, Gorjunov stankoviy 1943). OKW will get 6-man mg with weak suppresion,deathloop and narrow arc of fire. Soviets finally will get proper 4 man mg with wundersoviet teleport, AP rounds, suppresion and wide arc of fire. I want to see how OKW mg will burn in lake of fire from molotovs in eternal loop of suffering and death!
Please make this alive! |
It was hot, summer day far beyond frontline, german soldiers rests from battles and healed wounds. Gunter and Fritz were in good mood - of course, they moment ago watch good movie and had good meal. The good day promised not worst evening.
At square was a big crowd and was hear, how folks arguing.
Officer yelling - "Listen to me soldiers of Faterland! Fuhrer gave to us new secret weapon - 6 man MG. With this wunderwaffe we can kill enemies of Faterland faster then earlier! Victory will be ours! All mg crew, must go to storage and get new machineguns. You also must help to your new comrades in your teams."
Gunter and Fritz were crew of MG-34 - old weapon from start at war. Not as good as new MG-42, but in good hands had could stop any enemy assault.
Listen to me Fritz - said Gunter. I heard that bolsheviks got new machineguns with more ROF and AP rounds. They mg crews also were reduce to 4 man squads. While we getting this 70kg watercooling antique piece of shit and get 2 more soldiers in our team. Do you really think that it is better then our good old 34?
I don't know Gunter. But officer from higher command division said it. We must believe to our commanders.
Gunter has bad feelings in his soul, but what could do regular soldier in this situaition? Only two things - obeyed and don't die in battle.
At the same time at other side of front:
See Yuriy, this is our new mg - said Sergiy. Looking like toy - said Yuriy. Yuriy was main machinegunner of old, heavy machinegun - Maxim. This 70-kg weapon have special requirements to shooter. They must be big and strong, to push and pull it from mud of Eastern Front. Yuriy was good machineguner.
Don't be fool! - said Sergiy. It much lighter and have more ROF than our Maxim. Look to these new AP rounds! With them we could destroy germans light vehicles and make in fashists so much holes as stars on night sky!
But where went Alexey and Dmitriy ? - asked Yuriy. They now become part of mortar team crew, our new team have only 4 mans - answered Sergiy. Yuriy didn't like it. He liked listen stories of Alexey and he liked how good Dmitriy can cook meal. Yuriy have some doubts about new mg. But one thing he like for sure - from this moment, he will never again pulling this Maxim from mud.
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Shouldn't the Maxim be getting the camouflage as it's the worst MG in the game?
Don't forget about powerfull AP rounds to stop enemy LV and shred infantry to pieces. |
Hello,
MG34 is the worst MG in game ... and its bad for its costs.
One thing would increase the usage of it:
give it a nondoc camouflage (like some Ost commanders have) upgrade. (same cost like ost with commander) // or maybe from vet1/2
So it would have a tricky thing which make it more usefully and we would see it more.
It is trolling or what? Ask any player which MG he will pick up the last in battlefield and you already know the name of the worst mg in game. There was thread about MG's effectivness and votes also show the worst MG in game and this not MG-34. |
I think making Wehr and OKW overlap should be avoided (I think making any armies overlap should be avoided, tbh, including the most recent commanders).
If in one commande why not? Soviets have lend lease, brits have lend lease, OKW have tigers. |
Yeah sure and Soviets get lend leased Churchills? Better yet, Lend lease Pershings! Since atleast 1 was sent to USSR.
And never used in battle too. Soviets have more captured KT and Tigers than pershings. I prefer KV-85, more than KV-1 and t-3485, but less than IS-2. |