Vet3 guards are actual a threat to Medium tanks and even heavy tanks IF(and that is a big if) they can stand and shoot, PTRS is a good weapon as long as you keep firing it. 2 guards can deal pretty good damage even against a KT if they keep shooting in the back it just take too long because of aim/reload times.
IMO guards are fine as they are, changing them will make they either useless or OP.
*OBS: button REALLY need some love, some massive reducion in cost would be welcome.
If you are supposed to be fielding multiple guards and blob them, they they shouldn't be so expensive to reinforce.
And button being cancelled by smoke, this is a joke.
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And what I mean by useless units/ability:
-82mm mortar = Not useless, not as good as USF or Ost mortar but its resonable.
-CONSCRIPTS = Lategame scaling is an issue, but they are a cheap t0 6 man unit who can build sandbags and have decent utility.
-Clown car = Its good for killing Kubel spam and its ok as an early recon unit. If you put a flamer inside and avoid any early snares then it can be really strong at killing support weapons / clearing buildings.
-Zis AT gun = Again another unit that is fine. Its not Pak40 / 6 pounder but its OK. Vet 1 ability could be better and I'd rather have TWP instead of barrage but its still useful.
-Guards button = I think this probably needs a slight cost decrease or something else to make it a bit more effective as its pretty easy to avoid / get out of but its a unique ability that no other faction has.
-Maxim = Is fine. Limited arc of fire but is pretty mobile, can be used offensively and has a decent pin time vs single squads.Go watch Von Ivan play.
-SU 152 = ISU is totally fine and is a wipe machine if you micro it well and use attack ground. Gets hard countered by JT / Ele which is an issue especially if you pick a commander early for guards, but thats life.
-Molotov = I feel it should be a bit quicker to throw it but otherwise it isn't that bad considering its cost. Bit annoying having to pay fuel to unlock it though.
-PTRS gun = Fine on guards, gives decent light AT and is enough generally to stop Penals getting walked all over. Have decent damage as well. I'd be against a PTRS buff vs infantry as it was stupid before how well it worked vs infantry. Can't comment them on Cons as I've never tried it.
See bold for replies. Seems mostly like a player issue rather than faction. I would say soviets are probably at their strongest right now since the game launched and most of the useless units have been fixed aside from M-42 & KV2. T-34 is still quite crap but its cheap and spammable so. (<444>3 Penals, SU-76 and SU-85)
Playercard please 
Only a low skilled compstomper complains about and need to counter kubel spam which only exists when you play against CPU 
Let me tell you that my player card is years above the pathetic one you show off. |
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Reposting this in the correct section, after a compstomper moderator (who thinks that the molotov and 82mm mortar is fine) locked and suggest it.
I'm so tired of how boring soviets have become over the time and limited to only one way "in" during the game ( I'm talking about 1v1).
This is all because so many units have been rendered useless over time, that there only 3 viable options as soviet :
-Penals+ Guards
-2 engineer+3 cons with guard
-Partisans
And what I mean by useless units/ability:
-82mm mortar
-CONSCRIPTS
-Clown car
-Zis AT gun
-Guards button
-Maxim
-SU 152
-Molotov
-PTRS gun
At least make the guards button somewhat good, no need to nerf it death like it is now.
All it takes is to move slightly behind and button is broken.
Smoke? broken.
On top of this it takes like 12 PTRS shells to destroy a Luch2? ffs, guards isn't a unit I plan on spamming so how do I need so much?
It's like you need to have an AT gun with you or AT nade, else guards are useless by themselves against Light tanks.
I'm not asking that they become "light tank killers", just that they can be strong enough to scare them away.
It should be 8 shots.
Guards button should either disable gun or paralyze vehicle just like USF stuart does.
Molotov is too slow, does no damage whatsoever and represents a waste most of the time.
ZiS only good ability is the artillery, as an AT gun it sucks, it does less damage than okw raks moves slower, has shitty rotation speed and misses al ot.
Clown car is stupidly easy to kill.
Look how many times I need to shoot to kill a kubel.
One PF can destroy a clown if it hits behind.
But 2 at nades are needed for a kubel, what's the logic?
SU 152 costs way too much to be good in 1v1, and it's not even that good as a tank, it's a lesser AVRE, doesn't have any redeemable pen rate.
Have you ever seen somebody building 82 mortars? Did you ever kill anything with it?
Everyone goes for 120mm, (and that's not even used this much).
Last but not least: CONSCRIPTS
So much talk about how conscripts don't scale late game or are crap.
I 100% agree that they are useless, people (such as vonivan) didn't just start spamming maxim out of the blue.
It's because cons are bad.
I know how you should use them, but since your definition of cons is that they are a versatile low cost unit that are good in covers and in number.
Then why do they cost the same as grens?
They should cost 210mp as they are now, with no upgrade and needing to buy ATnade/Molotov.
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I already talked about it in another thread, but people just said I was a fool.
PTRS is useless crap.
Button costs too much for what it does.
They need to either reduce the reload time or buff the pen so that it akes 8 shots to kill a Luchs instead of 12 ( 12 is fucking ridiculous).
Right now Guards aren't really a threat to light tanks by themselves.
Guards are supposed to be "light anti tank support", but they don't do shit unless you snare the vehicle before.
And that's the problem, soviets right now they are too reliant on support.
If I drive a light tank (even a stuart) to a volk or gren squad, even they can scare it away alone because of panzer faust.
PTRS doesn't even snipe enemies as before (which imo worked as it should since it's also an anti-inf weapon)
As for button, if they deem it works as intended, it should at least get a cost reduction, because 75 ammo lmg upgrade+ 40 for each button, really relic?
It doesn't even disable tank's main gun.
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Fuck them
so I either do guards/partisans or shock doctrine or I'm fucked.
thank u lelic.
Maxim spam is going to be the only way to play soviets in months from now. |
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I didn't say soviets are bad.
I just said that they lost the variety they had once because so many units or tools are not good to use.
To answer obersoldat: between somebody making fair points and a bum posting 10yo memes, I know who is retarded.
Out of all I stated, you had only maxim to call out "not useless"?
Well too bad anyway because maxim is underperforming.
It's good if you do maxim spam, don't get me wrong.
But the weapon itself as a support unit is garbage.
@zerocoh: KV1 is good, but it does no damage and hits nothing like you said.
I would rather take the buff than lower cost.
Also my number one problem is how 82mm is S.H.I.T
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I also forgot about :
B-4
KV1
And IL-2 "pride of the soviet air force" |
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I'm so fucking tired of how boring soviets have become over the time and limited to only one way "in" during the game ( I'm talking about 1v1).
This is all because so many units have been rendered useless over time, that there only 3 viable options as soviet :
-Penals+ Guards
-2 engineer+3 cons with guard
-Partisans
And what I mean by useless units/ability:
-82mm mortar
-CONSCRIPTS
-Clown car
-Zis AT gun
-Guards button
-Maxim
-SU 152
-Molotov
-PTRS gun
For fuck sake at least make the guards button somewhat good, no need to nerf it death like it is now.
All it takes is to move slightly behind and button is broken.
Smoke? broken.
On top of this it takes like 12 PTRS shells to destroy a Luch2? ffs, guards isn't a unit I plan on spamming so how do I need so much?
It's like you need to have an AT gun with you or AT nade, else guards are useless by themselves against Light tanks.
I'm not asking that they become "light tank killers", just that they can be strong enough to scare them away.
It should be 8 shots.
Guards button should either disable gun or paralyze vehicle just like USF stuart does.
Molotov is too slow, does no damage whatsoever and represents a waste most of the time.
ZiS only good ability is the artillery, as an AT gun it sucks, it does less damage than okw raks moves slower, has shitty rotation speed and misses al ot.
Clown car is stupidly easy to kill.
Look how many times I need to shoot to kill a kubel.
One PF can destroy a clown if it hits behind.
But 2 at nades are needed for a kubel, what's the logic?
SU 152 costs way too much to be good in 1v1, and it's not even that good as a tank, it's a lesser AVRE, doesn't have any redeemable pen rate.
Have you ever seen somebody building 82 mortars? Did you ever kill anything with it?
Everyone goes for 120mm, (and that's not even used this much).
Last but not least: CONSCRIPTS
So much talk about how conscripts don't scale late game or are crap.
I 100% agree that they are useless, people (such as vonivan) didn't just start spamming maxim out of the blue.
It's because cons are bad.
I know how you should use them, but since your definition of cons is that they are a versatile low cost unit that are good in covers and in number.
Then why do they cost the same as grens?
They should cost 210mp as they are now, with no upgrade and needing to buy ATnade/Molotov.
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Thread: t-34/859 Jul 2016, 21:42 PM
They got damage buff.
In theory what they did is increase the dmg buff, but not completely.
What they did is a fix a bug that made the T34 not shoot its mg.
Even if it was a buff, it was only due, because the T34 was phenomenally bad against infantry.
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Thread: t-34/859 Jul 2016, 21:32 PM
How is it an indirect buff?
The mg in the T34 wasn't working, what is it you don't get? It's not even a buff. |
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