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Discussion for automatch map Langreskaya

Discussion for automatch map Faymonville Approach

I thought the huge negative cover river and road sections, with massive cutoffs next to the base entrance and a wide open middle with lots of negative cover were pretty obvious.

Despite it all, it actually works great, a shining example of an alternative map that works.

You do know that the roads on xroads give negative cover right? and the river intersecting te road... like the roads do, is literally the same negative cover besides the recently removed negative cover outside of the bases on xroads?

In no way is this an excuse for abominations like Westwall, Arnhem, Stalingrad and Lost Glider.

A good example of an alternative map is Rachnaya Pereprava. Good cutoffs, action everywhere, distinctive engagement areas and no cutoffs on cutoff points.

I would suggest watching this:



literally in the first 1 minute in you'll find why I find your response so strange.

This first post, should've been everyone's attitude 4-5 years ago, it was not. Instead people, including other content creators, publicly shit on the hard-work you are now advocating for.

Like these two maps are fine, you're all weaklings that blame your lack of adjustment and inability to adapt to new environments on the hard work of map makers.

The 1v1 map pool right now is literally the best it's ever been since 2006, CoH1 had 5 maps for the most part and in its end state this included Wrecked Train and Baux Lowlands... CoH2 launched with Moscow Outskirts as a 1v1 map...

Not every map has to be a tournament contender some are meant to be fun tactical conundrums that keep you thinking.

I especially want to focus on this

Not every map has to be a tournament contender some are meant to be fun tactical conundrums that keep you thinking.

I have been stating this for years, other mappers, whom are now all gone due to harassment and toxicity from this community, have also said the same, and tried in their own ways to implement them.

People wanted 2v2 maps? Put in some fun ones, and they were removed. Why? As Andy stated in some messages to me, because top players have said they shouldn't be in.

Yet I get messages at least a few times a month asking why they were removed cause players like the change of pace, and new scenery. We removed them and didn't replace them with anything.

This offers up a few questions.

Who do we listen to?
-Top players?
-The vast majority of players?
-Casual players (often silent)
-The vocal minority (non tournament players)

These groups are often at odds with one another. One one hand you have a fun map that the majority of people want to play on, or don't mind, but on the other you have people who are grinding elo that don't want to play around something that doesn't necessarily favor their playstyle or meta.

Both have fair arguments.

For the latter part this comes into play:

Like these two maps are fine, you're all weaklings that blame your lack of adjustment and inability to adapt to new environments on the hard work of map makers.

If this is that attitude we should take, then why are maps being removed that are different? And more importantly why are they being removed with no replacements?

Also keep in mind who do we listen too? Top players or the majority? How do you take the voices of 100 or so people and pit it against thousands and make it fair? There is so much biased shit we would have to filter through it would be impossible with a vote, as we saw with polls being bombarded by other communities in the past, or by rules being broken for tournaments so personalities would be voted for.

There have been plenty of experimental crazy maps that have gotten into the pool and veered too much from the tenants of what makes a good CoH 1v1 map.

I'm not going to name names, because they have mostly been removed from the map pool.

However in that context these two are genuinely not that bad at all, they're not great, and up against the strongest map pool we've had they will get vetoed more often. But that's what we're dealing with now, two slightly large less than perfect maps, that create some interesting games and challenge the paradigm without being bat shit insane.

Let them have their six months in the sun the cycle them out or give the map makers chance to iterate if they feel it's worth doing.

Who gets to decide this?

There have been plenty of experimental crazy maps that have gotten into the pool and veered too much from the tenants of what makes a good CoH 1v1 map.

What tenants do you speak of? Where are they listed?

I specifically remember you fighting tooth and nail for the changes on the maps in rotation, even with the GCS champion, Talisman, among other top 10 players at that time as well. Is your word better than theirs? Ultimately we made the changes regardless, that you didn't want, and the maps now play better for it. This isn't intended as a call out, more an example, looping back into who's voice do we listen to, and how does everyone end up feeling heard, as Cresc, apparently does not, and this is something that I would like to genuinely solve with the people that still care about this game.

I have tried multiple ways to accomplish this
-Map contest with Judges from varying backgrounds
-Map contest with private submission and community voting
-Tournament with maps designed with top tournament players

And all have their weakness and strengths, and their own varied failures and successes.

And why does the voice of the few out weigh a large part of the silent majority? The stats don't lie, they aren't made up, so do we just remove whatever is in the lowest tier and rotate out maps? (I would love this, but its too late for consistent updates like that to take place).

I'm very happy that people seem to be finally realizing what I've been saying for years, isn't me just making shit up, but a re-occurring problem, and issues that I've seen, and have tried multiple different ways to express or solve, albeit, I didn't always do it very well, or level-headedly, but it was a large learning experience for me.

I, however, feel its a bit too little too late. I have some plans in the future, and will help with things here, just need a bit of time to get them setup for people to use, regardless of what I feel personally is too late or not.

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