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Thread: Falls should need munition to upgrade fg4218 Apr 2019, 16:02 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Apr 2019, 14:49 PMSkysTheLimit It's not about dropping them into combat it's about dropping them behind it and kiting things on retreat. I do this with commandos all the time cause the glider is easier to call in to the FoW. But it can be done with falls too I doubt it would happen in 1v1 but in team games theres a lot more space to drop them behind enemy lines. Well thats not what we were talking about. It was going to be more expensive and stronger. Not cheaper an weaker. Same MP cost with a munitions upgrade, and a buff. If the player is floating a few hundred mp to call a squad in behind a retreat and risk there being something there I think they deserve the wipe. Same thing with a commando glider. You earned that wipe. Stronger falls doesn't make any more sense than weaker ones. They are already good enough as is, changing them up to make them less rewarding when utilized expertly but more difficult to use poorly is a bad direction. Like I said earlier, if you are afraid of their starting dps and want to nerf them based on that and rob them of their unique and elite status and turn them into Uber volks (5 man squad with 2 automatics, just scaled up) why not try starting then with a half mag so they have to reload sooner. They are great units that don't see a lot of use because they take a bit of attention to get their value for cost out. I don't want to see them become a mainline replacement in larger longer games. As now they act more like JLI probably should--alone as ambush troops, not as a ball of fuck you. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Soviet buffs/adjustments18 Apr 2019, 11:36 AM Jump back to quoted post18 Apr 2019, 09:03 AMullumulu I like how the OP lie around with "alternatives facts". You wanna say us that a maxim cant suppress in NO COVER? This must be a joke. Unless you out-dps a mg while it doesnt suppress any unit (like you suppress a squad while 3 squads arent suppressed and shooting you down) there is NO WAY a JLI with NO COVER would win in the arc from a maxim. Are u sure the JLI stands in the arc? If the first model to drop was the gunner I could see it happening as the crew are none too keen on replacing him and it's not like the gun dishes out enough Supression to make up for lost time. 2 JLI would munch through it pretty good. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Falls should need munition to upgrade fg4218 Apr 2019, 11:30 AM Jump back to quoted post17 Apr 2019, 22:56 PMSkysTheLimit Did you see the idea vipper and I discussed? What about buffing them and making them require a munitions upgrade? I don't have a problem with their power overall, I just don't like its shock value. I feel like it's better for the squad too if they sacrifice shock value for a net overall improvement I dont see the "shock value" in them. They need to air drop in and I have not in my days seen them dropped into combat. They are always behind the line and moved up. I don't see a reason to remove one of the only remaining high risk high reward units. Now that they can't spawn from buildings with fg42 they are no longer cheesy and the commander is already thirsty enough without throwing on a munitions cost just cause. I definitely don't want yet another boring 5 man squad. They are elite, the feel elite and they bleed like elite infantry. A cheaper 5 man squad with 2 fgs sure sounds alot like better volks, and fuck that shit. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Should KV1 get 'Inspire' ability?18 Apr 2019, 02:56 AM Jump back to quoted post17 Apr 2019, 20:43 PMdistrofio Only sith and fools deal in absolutes. Kv1 has more than enough armor to withstand any generalist medium. His gun is meant to deal with inf, garrisons and Lvs. Little you know the units you use so frequently. As it is now kv1 displaced all but other TDs, why would you want to buff them? Comparing kv1 to TD always will result in KV1 gun being weaker, congratulations, obvious logic there. Adding AT to kv1 will put it on the tank killing department, NOT ALL OF THEM, that batshit op and only you get that picture, but will make KV1 a mediums killers and that's already TD role since it will counter them hard. Simple facts are not the same as absolute fact. If it was an ambush bonus it wouldn't be a problem. They wouldn't replace TDs because TDs are reliable. They would replace t34s because they are cheaper and quicker. ALWAYS room for a t34 and they are always in demand. An ambush bonus (instead of hull down) would allow them to get 1 good hit in and then back down to an RNG cannon due to low pen. It fits the counter attack theme, adds diversity AND is historically sound (not a factor, but neat none the less) They are too durable and not punchy enough to slap MORE durability on imo. A single buffed shot won't replace TDs. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Doctrinal Mortar Pit17 Apr 2019, 20:54 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Apr 2019, 19:32 PMLago That's not a bad thing. Advanced Emplacements is the main thing standing in the way of a proper overhaul of the emplacements. If emplacements needed a garrison to brace I think all would be fine tbh. Sure the repair dudes could go about their work but having to tie up extra squads to reduce I coming damage (who might actually bleed) I think they would be fine. At that point adding scuttle and call it a day In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Falls should need munition to upgrade fg4217 Apr 2019, 20:48 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Apr 2019, 15:54 PMSkysTheLimit I just told you the practical purpose, not being ready to wipe things so easily. ~~Falls drop zone is WAY more precise than airborne so it's a lot easier to drop them in behind the lines.~~ And the squad size isn't the reason for that difference, because the Soviet airborne drop is more precise too. Unless it's been changed since i last tested it They arnt insta pop and wipe units though. Usf pay because their Thompsons come with a great ability and their LMGs are monsters ONTOP of being able to reinforce on the field although I could get behind a price reduction for both, especially the Thompsons given the Soviet guards ppsh being free. Could you imagine dropping falls on a beacon and constantly reinforcing them in combat? Would be nasty business. Soviet are emerging from a cloud of smoke so the wipe potential would be enormous if they spawned with weapons. Falls are the least durable of the airborne but start the best equipped nerfing then on principle to be like the others when they are not like the others hardly seems reasonable. I don't know why they need to be delayed in power until after the drop. If they are too spooky for you when they drop you could simply increase the time it takes to drop instead of removing a unique and not unbalanced feature "just because" them starting ready to go isn't a balance issue, not like people drop them right on the front anyways... Also @SCB they actually dropped with a smaller magazine that didn't stick out past the mag well, I think it was 5 or 10 rounds but they did have the gun with them, it was purpose built for that. Not that it matters in the course of balance... Granted if a 4 man squad armed for bear on the front for the cheap cheap cost of one of the most expensive squads in the game OS indeed OP I guess we could try spawning them with half a magazine for shits and see how that plays out. Forcing a reload so you have more time figure out what happened after that plane that dropped them behind the lines means. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Falls should need munition to upgrade fg4217 Apr 2019, 15:11 PM What purpose would it serve though? All it the impact it would have would be negligible. The only thing it would do is pointlessly add another no Brainer click. Look at the other units that have the free upgrade: storms which can spawn out of buildings instantly and the new Soviet airborne who spawn in a cloud of smoke both allow them to be delivered right where they could deal massive damage with very little risk if they had high DPS weapons. Falls drop in and it's very obvious. Isn't there better things they could work on than stripping power away JUST to add it to a free upgrade that serves no practical purpose? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Should KV1 get 'Inspire' ability?17 Apr 2019, 14:19 PM On topic please... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Falls should need munition to upgrade fg4217 Apr 2019, 14:17 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Apr 2019, 13:54 PMMusti Not that I think Falls should be nerfed or anything (I think they are fine now), but where did the whole "glass" thing came from? 4-man with 0.83 RA is hardly "glass", even if they don't win any durability contests they are not THAT far behind PGrens and whatnot. I mean "cannon" is obvious, squad with 4 BARS is nothing to sniff at. For their cost they are extremely squishy. 0. 83 is barely more durable than Sturm pios but the biggest factor comes from their unstacked dps which means as they take losses their output decreases proportionality unlike grens or lmg Obers. This is a good thing, losses should hurt but it means that they can't sit around and make use of cover if banged up because their DPS will suffer meaning they won't be winning any fights. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Soviet buffs/adjustments17 Apr 2019, 14:08 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Apr 2019, 06:06 AMdistrofio But cons spam had one thing that SU76 will never have, its a (!) button that saves them and gives them another chance to fight. SU76 can retreat but is not as reliable and fuel cost limit spammability a lot. None of that stopped the spam when they were over performing. Making them cheaper means you can start a massing earlier and they still have utility in the barrage. It's not a risk I'd want to take because you know what follows a Soviet unit that gets used alot? Performance gutting nerfs that there is no coming back from for years to come. In: COH2 Balance