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Royal Engineers (REs) are currently one of the silliest parts of UKF's design. REs are good, cheap meatshields to protect Infantry Sections' (IS) DPS but in long games REs can take over both roles.

Royal Engineers:
- Start off as durable as Panzergrenadiers (and IS)

- Vet 3 Panzergrenadiers are less durable than vet 3 REs (PGs 0.71 v. IS 0.76 v. REs 0.66 vet received accuracy multiplier)

- Reinforce for less (26 v. 28 manpower) than IS

- Reinforce for 13 manpower at vet 3 (Soviet weapon teams reinforce for 15)

- Benefit from Bolster Squads (which makes them more durable)

- Can equip Brens and PIATs for the same cost-to-equip of IS (An RE Bren has the far DPS of ~2.7 IS rifles)

- Receive a better Bren than IS (5%/11% more N/F DPS)

- Don't receive the out-of-cover penalty IS have (i.e., the PIAT is always better on REs and the RE Bren is better than the IS Bren's in-cover performance)

- Can receive the Heavy Engineer upgrade which effectively halves the damage REs take from small arms while increasing repair speed and equipping an (extra) IS Bren

- Can equip up to four slot items at once (Heavy Engineer Vickers K, Minesweeper/Flamethrower, and two Brens/PIATs so long as you build both upgrades before picking up Brens)

- Have all the benefits of an engineer squad (repairing, building, mine-laying, etc.)

- Cost less than IS (210 manpower v. 280 manpower)


What do IS have over REs?

Infantry Sections:
- Can receive healing/artillery upgrades

- Receive a 20% accuracy bonus and slot weapons (which can make it easier to drop Brens) at vet 3

- Do not require upgrades for effective DPS

- Benefit from certain doctrinal abilities (Commando Regiment's Assault, for example)

Obviously, a Heavy Engineer/Flamethrower/dual-Bren/5-man RE squad is too expensive (210 manpower/250 munitions without teching costs) to field in your average game but Royal Engineers with Brens or PIATs can substitute for Infantry Sections quite successfully late-game. They're definitely a unit you should take advantage of.

Hope this helps.

Not to mention the Jerry ones are plastic by comparison, so it would certainly make sense for tougher ones to cost something.

Looking at the stats in the attribute editor, both slit_trench_german_mp and slit_trench_mp have the same health (600), armour (35), target size (2) and weapon priority (-20). Is there something I'm missing?

ost
1-tier 4 5 man squad upgrade to all unit (team weapon and infantry, no sniper) something like 300 mp 50 fu
2- panther moving accuracy to 0.75
3-p4 cost to 110-120 fu
4-ostwind performance fixed (some time full wipe some time all miss)
5-222 like the old one need mun to upgrade to 2 mm (like 60 mun)

A five-man upgrade adds balance issues without addressing the problem. The problem is that four-man squads and team weapons are easily one-shot in late-game. Moving AI DPS from tank main guns to tank MGs, giving artillery larger AOEs with less damage, increasing squad spacing, et cetera would be a better long-term solution instead of inflicting 5-man Panzergrenadiers on CoH2 and eventual threads for 5-man Fallschirmjagers, Infiltration Commandos and Sturmpioneers on this forum.

2 is sensible. A slight (5 fuel) price decrease might be alright for 3 but the Panzer IV would be far too efficient at 110 fuel.

usf
1-usf mortar aa to 82mm lvl but barrage much better than right now with good precision and fire rate
2-usf at gun toggle ap rounds 10 mun x round fired (same for m10 and m36)
3-scot and greyhound performance or role fix
4-pershing hp to 960 but less aoe on main gun

I can't really comment on any of these but I'd be interested in how you would implement 2.

soviet
1-button now turret lock the tank
2-m42 now has passive double tap:the next round on the same target will always hit have 100% pen and deal 160 damage (work on if too)
3-kv1 and kv2 huge buff price and performance (hp pen rate of fire)
4-maxxim price to 250

1 sounds good, 2 sounds OP, and 3 is extremely vague. I don't think 4 is really needed either.

brits
1-boforos art range to 50 but faster
2-17 pounder pop cap and price reduction
3-cromwell less rotation rate and speed same for comet
4-fix trenches : or free but all can use or cost to 100 mp but only usable to brits

I agree with 1 and 2. 3 is a little excessive. Reducing the rotation rate would be enough to reduce their crushing abilities, a speed nerf is unnecessary.

4 needs some consideration.

120 mm,isg , and mortar pit aa range to 80 barrage range still the same (fix barrage of the mortar pit as the second mortar deal less damage)

This would be a very nice change.

The British Mills feels underwhelming to be honest in terms of damage, and I can't even see the difference with the 7% farther range bulletin.

Mills Bombs have 20 range so 7% is an increase of 1.4. You'd need a 25-50% range increase to make them useful. I'm still not sure why Relic made Mills Bombs a side upgrade.

I think we're overlooking the (currently bugged) MG. By how much would fixing the bug improve the 222's performance against infantry?

If the 222 becomes powerful enough to be deployed solely for its anti-infantry abilities, its price must be increased. Currently, the 222 is economically efficient enough to overwhelm most Allied light vehicles and still come out reasonably ahead. Adding more anti-infantry firepower would make the 222 annoying/difficult/impossible to deal with for USF/Soviets/UKF at its current price.

Sdfkz 222

Previously the 222's Coaxial MG had no rotation with only a 10 degree firing cone with no ability to traverse making it difficult to track targets it chases after, particularly at close-range. The reload has been shortened the reload on the MG to reduce the length the MG is not firing.
Increased health, cost, armour, range, and acceleration to help the 222 kite other light vehicles.

-Coaxial MG now has 10 degree traverse to the left, right, and up.
-Coaxial MG Reload from 6/6.5 to 4/4.5.
-2cm autocannon accuracy at far from 0.025 to 0.035
-Moving accuracy of the 2cm accuracy from 0.5 to 0.75
-Health from 240 to 280.
-Autocannon range from 40 to 45.
-Cost from 210mp/15fuel to 280mp/45fuel
-Acceleration from 2.4 to 2.8
-Armour from 9/4.5 to 12/6.
-Coaxial MG now gains accuracy bonuses at veterancy 2.
-222 autocannon can now attack ground.
-Coaxial Range from 35 to 40.

These are the changes to the 222 in Miragefla's competitive mod. I'd be interested in hearing a slightly more detailed rationale from Miragefla but the modded 222 seems to fit into the light tank-shaped hole in Ostheer's unit list.

Implementing only the 222 changes without certain other changes (i.e. HEAT grenades for IS with the Mills Bomb upgrade) would not be practical of course.