S mines win games, they are honestly so good and should not be overlooked.
You can place them on some of his flanking routes, forcing him into your MGs and helping you win engagements much easier.
Sneak pioneer behind and place on retreat path for easy wipes (easy in 1V1).
Put them in hard to spot locations like between buildings and hedges.
People don't realise that sometimes to counter something strong you must focus on the other part of his army. Kinda like facing a Tiger Ace and trying to wipe his inf for bleed.
not the way u are talking about , the logic is u need good anti inf and good anti tank inf to take on the Jackson right ? So u need to push right ? Do s mines have legs ? |
Its absolutley possible to beat his inf without the use of front line tanks, and when you do you pretty much win the game.
There are many doctrinal abilities that help you vs infantry.
S - mines are also brutal.
Panzerwerfer is also good (and can be kept safe from Jackson).
Invest in countering his inf and Jackson is useless. It may be overperforming, but its not an I win button. Also I use Tigers mostly when I can put them in urban areas which negates range advantage of TDs.
s mines lol u have to be blind to not see the sign |
Maxim is horrible compared to an MG42, what are you smoking?
Maybe 1v1 it can beat, but who the hell fights MG's against MG's? the MG42 will suppress in 1 burst, the maxim is lucky if it can get you by burst 3. Which is why It gets naded still very consistantly. The Mg42 can setup, suppress, than it pins on the 2-3rd burst depending on cover, infantry type, etc.
Then it gets to load in some sweet sweet incendiary rounds to shred infantry and be a soft counter to lights... This costs 0 fuel/tech to bring out.
Soviets, do have to pay fuel to unlock the tech of the maxim. I say this because you compared the .50 to a tech unlock.
I build machine guns to suppress and keep the flanks secure. I don't really care if they kill, that's what combined arms is for. But the .50 cal does it all, and that's another arguement entirely by itself (a .50 cal machine gun basically kills a model entity every burst, while OST has 4 man squads? basically retreat or get rekt son).
i know maxim needs a superssion buff but they win 1 vs 1 with mg 42 (put a maxim vs mg 42) cause of the reload times |
so what its wrong with this ?
Osther has best mg in game right ?
So why usf only late game tank cant be the best tank destroyer? Whats wrong with that ? Usf dont have
rocket arty, nondoc heavy tank no tank similar to brumbar or churchil so why jackson cant be the best in his league comon. Maybe last wermaht tier is not perfect but look how many options osther have-combined arms right? so where is combined arms when u play as usf jackson+jackson ?
jackson must handle usf late game so it must be good
no it has a long setup time and it get's beaten by maxim in 1 on 1 , the best mg in game is the the usf one but it comes after 50 fuel and it cost 280 mp so its fair |
This is actually one of the main problems. When you duke it out tank vs tank, the jacksons really the only viable solution you can come up with non-doctrinally. The Sherman really can't fight off other mediums reliably at all, so everyone is just dumping into the jackson.
Even the m10 isn't great, and it shouldn't be considering its so cheap, it's like a beefy Su76, that seems.. worse?
Nobody makes shermans...
dude the m10 is a beast medium td (think of it as a fusion betwenn the old jackson and the stug) 160 pen that can be bosted to 225 with ap round , 50 range , 560 life, zooomy tank,has flanking speed (oh the old 4 m10 vs kt all to the rear) |
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team game: infatry rifleman, pershing
1 vs 1: pershing, recon,mecha |
Thank you for an actual suggestion! My suggestion would be to nerf the rate of fire and speed on the jakson, but increase its pen so the dps remains the same against heavy armor. A p4 will be able to 1v1 a jakson with its slower rof. Also, I would add a tier 4 to usf. Tier 4 would require extra fuel and mp and include access to easy 8s. Easy 8s are able to fight versus okw p4's where normal Sherman tanks cannot take on okw p4s.
to me we could make the m 10 stock too if medium tank are a problem , with a price increase of course (i'm always in to adding more units to factions) |
Answering the real topic:
M36 Jackson, weaknesses: AT infantry and AT guns, where it both can't do a single shit against. Case closed.
Against the inf you get an MG or two, case closed again.
It seems like you have a problem fighting combined arms, which is the way the game should be played. And in addition you seem to like whining. again he means weakeness compared to other tank , if so the m42at gun is a good at guns cause it's wekaness is infatry not the low pen and damage right ?
or even more absurd : make a 360 hmg arc woth instan pin but it's balnced guys cause its weak to tank and indirect fire right ? u see the point now ?
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The jakson was buffed because usfs late game was non-existent. You are pushing your point to make usf seem like they can't be beaten. The Weakness to jakson is heavy td destroyers, or you can use shot blockers to your advantage. Usf does not have any other options to deal with heavies. The game would be better balanced if the jakson was a little worse, but usf would need better mediums tank in return. You have to consider the faction in which the jakson belongs to. just make the range 55(so at gun can out range it while still outraging all the heavy and medium bar the jadg panzer) or lower the mobility and turret traverse time (so 2 medium might be able to flank and kill it) |
It is not very dumb argument. Usf does well in open maps where their at guns and jaksons excel, but they do worse in maps with plenty of shot blockers. Okw p4s and reketans prove superior in these maps.
So the big question is how would you change each faction to combat the other in these maps?
u are missing trhe point this thread is about the lack of weakness of jackson not about balancing each unit to all maps , the jackson has speed, relod ,range,pen,turret
for example FF lack speed and fast turret rotation, the su 85 lack turret and is slow, the jagd panzer same but trade armor for pen,the stug lack range, the panther is in good spot 
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