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Thread: StuG life not viable12 Aug 2019, 13:37 PM u see su 76 as many times as the stug if not more btw check ur math okw need to wait around 80 fuel to get to mech tier so almost the same as tier 3 for su (okw get's a - 15 fuel start) t 70 > luch both AI and AT by the time he gets puma u should be able to field out the su 76 to out range puma so no 2 3 minutes and why would su 76 take much longer to kill luch ? it has a bit slower reload but has longer range, actual armor so it does not get damaged by the luch (su 76 can actually beat a puma with a bit of luck), and better accuracy (just buffed) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What do people think of Conscripts after the patch?12 Aug 2019, 13:25 PM mmhhh maybe something like this: when tier 1 2 and 3 are built cons get 17 reinforce cost, reduced time to reinforce and the bonus in cover for 40 mun when tier 4 is built (regardless of the other tech) u get free 7th man and 20% vet bonus In: COH2 Balance
Thread: StuG life not viable12 Aug 2019, 13:09 PM Jump back to quoted post12 Aug 2019, 13:02 PMMaret Okay, i got your point. How often after this patch you saw SU-76 in games? How much after this patch you saw ostwind and pgrens in games? X-Y=??? How much? And i repeat again - if SU-76 have wrong place, it must be moved to T4. Because right now it's just like old-ostwind or old-pgrens. Too much cost for nothing (just told me, why you never build old-ostwind, i think answer will be the same as for su-76), while you have zis with the same abilities and much better scaling. why pick stug when u have pak 40 ? worse range more cost and worse scaling..... or maybe cause it's a vehicle and not an at gun ? u know like su 76 and zis su 76 is perfectly fine, counter lv and lt and medium for a low price, if ur problem is scaling slap a 20 + more damage at vet 3 so it has 160 damage su 76 got reworked cause it was spammed, free barrage was cheesy and su-76 spam was cost effective vs panther and other heavy tanks In: COH2 Balance
Thread: StuG life not viable12 Aug 2019, 13:02 PM Jump back to quoted post12 Aug 2019, 12:45 PMMaret Realization of puma much easier that SU-76, you have excel mobility, smoke, turret and TWP. You even could use it in lategame to suicide attack gainst enemy rocket arty. And puma comes much sooner that su-76. Current OKW meta p2+puma against t-70 with volk blob. While i never saw SU meta t-70+Su-76 against p4. I agree that all ligth TD must work as zoning unit, but how make them works properly i don't know. IMHO it will be better to remove or move SU-76 to t4 than what we have now. It absolutely don't have a place in game, like old ostwind and old-pgrens. the pima lacks armor and 60 rangae tho, what's ur point ? yea like what ? osth ther puma comes out same time as a stug so no, for okw puma u need to count the - 15 starting fuel btw now coming earlier is important ? cause u seem to ignore it with stug In: COH2 Balance
Thread: StuG life not viable12 Aug 2019, 12:49 PM Jump back to quoted post12 Aug 2019, 12:28 PMMaret I also want rework of SU-76 because in current position you must build 2 su-76 (150 fuel! more than t-3485 or kv-1) to have hardcounter to 1 P4, while OST could build 1 stug and hardcounter your medium. You saw digits. And i also didn't mention that every new armor after T-70 will delay your own t4 (or heavy) and you will be in very hard position, when axis armor will start push if you build 1 su-76 after t-70. and u need 2 stug (180 fu more than a okw p4 !!1!11) to beat a single Churchill what's ur point ? but they literally just reworked the su 76 The SU-76 is receiving a number of slight changes to improve its role against light and medium vehicles with only a slight reduction against heavy tanks. Accuracy from 0.05/0.035/0.025 to 0.05/0.04/0.0375 Penetration from 200/190/180 to 180/170/160 Rotation rate from 30 to 32 And again u are asking for a single lower tier tech unit to easily beat a more expensive unit, both tech and fuel, can u send a puma or AEC 1 vs 1 tanks ? last time i checked u couldn't btw are u arguing that having it come earlier is actually a disadvantage so it should be more powerful ? i mean if so 222 would need to be super op as each one will delay ur tech In: COH2 Balance
Thread: StuG life not viable12 Aug 2019, 12:18 PM Jump back to quoted post12 Aug 2019, 12:05 PMgbem my beef with the SU-76 is the high cost of the barrage ability... outside of doctrines the soviets dont really have much vehicle based AI outside of 1. the T-34 2. the T-70 3. the katy and all of those units mentioned are all squishy and with the exception of the katyusha put you in range of enemy AT... (note T-34s have less health than the average medium) in contrast ostheer gets 1. the panzer 4 2. the ostwind 3. the brummbar 4. the panzerwerfer 5. the flametruck out of all these units only the flametruck and panzerwerfer are squishy... and the pwerfer and brummbar can attack outside of AT range... and the piece de resistance? your infantry are significantly outclassed for much of the match outside doctrines (conscripts) soo yeah id make the barrage cheaper or rework the SU-76 to have a switched static arty mode... u forgot AA half truck and clown car yea penal got removed last patch right ? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: StuG life not viable12 Aug 2019, 12:16 PM Jump back to quoted post12 Aug 2019, 12:02 PMMaret Main role of TD - fight against enemy mediums and LV, not other TD. You never counter Elefant or JT by SU-85, you use many t-34's for it and off-map. You never counter SU-152 by stug, you use panther for it or several p4 with offmap. But if you insist that STUG must will get buff "because he fight against early accesable su-76 with 60 range". Than SU-76 must will get buff, because it will be fight against STUG. And please, told me when SU got SU-76? IRC, right after T-70 (no one never will build SU-76 as start unit, if opponent equal). If we will be look to situations where SU build SU-76 as start unit, then we must consider situation when OST rush to T3, not build T1 and T2, when in that case STUG will arrive? im asking for a rework not a straight buff add 5 range increase price , reduce rate of fire, etc In: COH2 Balance
Thread: StuG life not viable12 Aug 2019, 11:53 AM as it should, i mean su 76 cost almost half of the p 4 ,comes earlier and can kite from 60 range, stug has 10 less range cost more both tech and unit, I would expect to counter medium tank that cost equal or slightly more when they rush it form the front as it's its only role (at least the su 76 has barrage) the su 76 can be safe from harm with it's 60 range (even from the stug) while the stug with 50 range will have to be in a worst position and even be out range form su 76 and other TD In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rant: WTF is with OKW Overwatch doctrines sector assault12 Aug 2019, 09:45 AM >RANT >BALANCE SECTION ?????????????????????????? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: LELG is overperforming by ALOT11 Aug 2019, 22:17 PM that must mean u got great win rate with okw ? In: COH2 Balance