Thread: Stug30 Nov 2018, 23:29 PM
RIGHT they dropped the armour alot on the panther. Thanks again vipp don't know what I'd do without you
Your welcomed.
Yes the have reduce the armor of the Panther allot, a vet 2 SU-85 has 100% chance to hit and penetrate a Panther vet 3 at range 60-0. |
Thread: Stug30 Nov 2018, 19:25 PM
How does the pen stack up? Because the panther is only 10armour lower than the Pershing, I don't recall the pen on the panther and don't think I ever saw the pen for the Pershing.
Panther vet 0
Armor: 260/90 Health: 960
Penetration near 260
Penetration mid 240
Penetration far 220
Panther vet 3
Armor: 286/99 Health: 960
Penetration near 260
Penetration mid 240
Penetration far 220
Pershing vet 0-3
Armor: 300/110 Health: 800
Penetration near 260
Penetration mid 240
Penetration far 220
AP round
Penetration near 400
Penetration mid 350
Penetration far 300 |
So when i try to get this 'formula' into my Excel it doens't add up. I took the values from the HTML file and came to this:
Near DPS OKW Sturmpioneer with STG44
accuracy*damage*(1+reload frequency) * (1+burst duration * rate of fire)
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(ReadyAim + ReloadDuration - FireAim - Cooldown) + (1+reload frequency)* (Wind up+Wind down+FireAim+Cooldown+Burst duration)
0.621 * 5 * (1+5,5 = 6,5) * (1+ 0.875 * 10 = 18.75) = 378.422
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(0,04 + 3,15 – 0,04 – 0,75 = 2.4) + (1 + 5,5 = 6.5) * (0 + 0 + 0,04 + 0,75 + 1,375 = 2.165) = 19.269
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19.639
Only, the result (according to the HTML file) should be: 16.034, am I missing something here?
Burst duration near 1 - 1.7 |
Why the favoritism of 222 again?
M20 doesn't murder light vehicles around that tier and AI is comparable for both at mid/far range(you aren't going to ram M20 into anything because you know, fausts exist).
Oh man, just stop with your stupid crusade to prove that I am biased. I am simply providing the stats that was requested.
And I am not sure why you even are attempting to prove that I am biased. You are clearly biased yourself, so stop blaming others for doing what you are constantly doing.
Now pls for 100 time stop with personal comments, it will make this forum a much better place. |
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Also thanks as always for the stats Vipp. Would you happen to have health values on those on hand too just to complete the picture?
You arr welcomed, glad I could help.
HP 222
320 -> 340 vet
HP M20
240 -> 320 skirts
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Isn't the 222 immunr to small arms now? Thought it was... Also how the fuck did we get here talking about infantry killing lights? It has nothing to do with OHK mines or even really the previous tangent of how much fuel adds to manpower value.
But for the sake of it doesn't the m20 come later than other lights? Like that's part of the reason it's not terribly attractive?
Clarifying:
Armor values for m20
11/5.5, armor skirt 16.5/8.25
Armor values for 222 that comes later
9/4.5
The M20 has more armor than the 222 even without skirt although 222 is higher tier vehicle. The reason currently m20 is not attractive is it high MP cost and its small window of opportunity. (the units was overprice due to its timing)
Certain individuals tend to derail threads by making claims that are simply false and spreading misinformation. |
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And what you are saying is completely BS.
The m20 has a huge advantage over other light vehicles vs small arm due to its high armor regardless if you are going to lose it to small arm or not, saying that is doesn't have an advantage, is simply BS. |
I am going to assume skill level higher then yours and opponents actually not leaving them idle and forgetting about them.
Usual Katitof goes to personal insults when he runs out of argument.
DPS of SP vs M3A3
19.0/17.3/9.3/4.6
EFH = 900
time to kill
10.6/11.5/21.5/43.6
DPS of SP vs M20 armor skirts
6.2/5.7/3.0/1.5
EFH = 4620
time to kill
51.6 56.4 105.1 213.2
Since the numbers clearly prove wrong pls, go to plan B and start a semantic argument.
BB and have a nice day.
(and M20 is not immune to small arm fire, it has 16.5 armor. It needs 30+ to be immune) |
Another thing about M20 is, people bitch how it is "immune to small arms", well, when was the last time you have seen 222 being actually killed by small arms? Hell, even M3?
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Play the game you will see any unit with smg can kill an m3A3, problem its M3A3 high dps not its armor. Same goes for 222 rear armor. |
..If Penals lose PTRS and Guards come out at CP3 Soviet could really struggle vs light vehicle rushes though.
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Mostly from OKW who would might need rebalanced.
One has to first to decide power level of ostheer, then balance allied faction vs Ostheer and then balance OKW vs Soviet.
In the case of OKW light being to strong vs T1 soviet start one could redesign M42 ATG as transition light tank counter and make it available in T1. |
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