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Have you actually played the mod and used the Stug E?

I tested vs a conscripts in open around max range. It took an average 2-4 shot before causing any casualties and around 10-15 shot to kill the squad.

Although I agree with the reduction is shock value of light vehicles (and I probably was one of the first to suggest decrease shock value increase utility) imo Stug fall in to another category. It is not a light vehicle it is an assault gun.

Its luck of turret, luck of hmgs, poor moving accuracy and poor mobility does not allow it to be used as other light vehicles, neither it's role.

It can not chase retreating units or do most of the thing light vehicles do...

The hole point of the unit is to offer support fire from a distance and with the patch stat it waste of resource when used at far range.

If you are not happy with the performance of the main gun I would suggest to make it work more like M8a1 and use a explosive weapon profile instead of ballistic one. An explosive weapon profile will fit the unit better historically and thematically.

Thanks for taking the time to read and respond to my thread.

Another bug that I might add is that TWP of the Stug-E is that it seem to be disable turret rotation in units that do not actually have a turret like SU-85, SU-76 and mobile artillery Priest (at least in cheat mode that I tested.)

It also offer very little against things that the normal gun can always penetrate like armored cars since it does half damage...

In this thread I will explain why imo the coming patch should not overbuff or overnerf units.

In trying to compute the square root of number one can use the Heron's method of finding two numbers. One that is bigger than the value that one is looking and one that smaller. Once one has done that, one has established the boundaries around his solution. One then can continue testing be choosing numbers between with it those boundaries.

The game is in state where those two numbers can be estimated thus the changes in unit stats should becoming increasing smaller.

It is understandable that is cases where the role of the units changes like light vehicle play from shock units to unit worth building in every stage of the game the change might need to be bigger but imo the patch goes over the top with some units.

I will use the Stug -E as an example since it has been hit the hardest with 9! nerfs.

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To sum up, imo the time for big changes in stat (without a change in role) has passed. Smaller changes are needed and especially in utility and scaling with things like veterancy bonuses and abilities.

Taking the time to explain why and how a change is implement is a thing Relic should have done from the first Patch.

Good Post.

But the results off all factions are all virtually identical in all modes (1v1 - 4v4)

fixing does not mean buffing...it can mean more options, more fun to play with and against, better design...