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Thread: pzgren should be wehr's dedicated tank hunters29 Mar 2018, 07:59 AM There is no reinforcement cost reduction the rule simply does not apply. Most of the units that had their cost changed simply do not follow the original rule of reinforcement cost and that includes a number of allied units. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What to do with the KT?28 Mar 2018, 21:13 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Mar 2018, 20:44 PMKatitof Medium tanks armor is NOT supposed to protect them from TDs. What would be the point of TD if it was otherwise? P4 armor bonus is supposed to give edge against mediums, not their own hardcounters which cost MORE then them. The idea that FF, SU-85 and M36 should be able to hard counter from range 60 frontally medium, premiums and Super heavy alike, making PzIV obsolete, is simply flawed. The claim that allied TDs become better vs super heavies but worse than PzIV also holds no water. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What to do with the KT?28 Mar 2018, 20:36 PM Su-85 The accuracy bonus make SU-85 better vs mediums The rotation makes SU-85 better vs mediums The smaller target size makes SU-85 better vs medium The unit is actually buffed considerably for small increase in cost while maintaining lower XP value and Pop. Even if it used to shoot faster having a the change to hit a PzIV increased from 55% to 88% at max ranged is over-weighted. Firefly Lower reload makes FF better vs all targets FF now need 2 tullip to land to kill a medium but now blind tanks Changes to accuracy have little impact when stationary due to commander and mid range 45. M36 Reduce reload make M36 better vs medium Damage change does not effect number of hits to kill The unit is actually buffed considerably while maintaining lower XP value. To sum up these TDs become better vs heavily armored vehicles nullifying PzIV armor bonus while losing very little against the PzIV. These unit can not Hit and Penetrate a PzIV at max range reliably while the veterancy of the PzIV does not really help it. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What to do with the KT?28 Mar 2018, 19:58 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Mar 2018, 19:56 PMFelinewolfie ============ SU85 lost late vet super ROF for extra pen (extra pen useless vs Pz4) = Nerfed vs Pz4 Jackson lost 240 dmg shot for 160 dmg shot for extra pen (extra pen is useless vs Pz4) = Nerfed vs Pz4 Firefly tulips nerfed hard. And it's dmg also nerfed in exchange for extra pen (extra pen useless vs Pz4) = Nerfed vs Pz4. Su-85 can deal with PzIV just fine so can Su-76. M36 kill PzIV faster since it over-killed FF can still kill with 2 shots 2 tullips. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What to do with the KT?28 Mar 2018, 19:56 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Mar 2018, 19:33 PMTheGentlemenTroll The issue is the KT ... And this is what I posted. Remove/make doctrinal or balance separately or change role. Having KT as the benchmark for allied TDs creates more problems than it solves. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: pzgren should be wehr's dedicated tank hunters28 Mar 2018, 17:28 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Mar 2018, 17:18 PMStug life u might want to look at their reinforce cost AT partisans are an infiltration unit that has mines snare and camo. Cost: AT partisan 270 SPs 300+70 MU PGs 340+120 MU Reinforcement cost: AT partisan 33 SPs 30 PGs 34 Pop: AT partisan 8 SPs 8 PGs 9 In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How would you change coh 2?28 Mar 2018, 17:03 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Mar 2018, 16:58 PMFelinewolfie remove base making, and neutral houses, shacks and anything on the map? do bunkers and trenches count as houses? Are OKW trucks 'houses' ? Are only OKW allowed to have them? What about Emplacements? By houses she is probably referring to ambient buildings. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: What to do with the KT?28 Mar 2018, 15:32 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Mar 2018, 14:45 PMKatitof That creates a whole new problem of having to create 3 specialist units to create a single tank of a single faction, unless you want to throw regular tier and panther into that bag as well, in which case brits and USF would be left without stock mechanized answer to meds. Modders went with "lesser evil" way of high penetration, but lower DPS, which does give meds a fighting chance(which still should not be too big as TDs are still supposed to counter tanks and not only heavy ones). No it does not. It can be a simple switchable munition ability. No, Relic did not chose "lesser evil", allied TDs destroy PzIV very fast even from max range. They simply used the KT as benchmark when balancing allied TDs and they are currently OP vs anything else. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What to do with the KT?28 Mar 2018, 14:17 PM Imo the problem is not what to do with KT but what to do with Allied AT. Imo using KT as benchmark to balance allied TDs creates far more problems than it solves. If one want to balanced "super heavy tanks" one can try the approach of separate balance by increasing target size to x2 or x3 of that of medium and giving MU with high penetration low accuracy to specific TDs. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What to do with the KT?28 Mar 2018, 12:28 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Mar 2018, 12:23 PMKatitof ... Well, there is still a panther and its not like axis TDs give allied meds a chance to deflect. ... In the current situation I personally would rather have an Ostheer Panther with 215 armor (same as easy8) that costed 140 fuel. In: COH2 Balance