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Thread: Feedback for Commander Revamppatch29 Aug 2018, 12:44 PM Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2018, 12:11 PMStark Did you play the mod? those changes are a first step, i wouldn't complain about numbers until they gonna be proparely tested. Thanks for reading my post and taking the time to respond. Unfortunately at the moment I can not. On the other hand I have used Sexton enough times to know that it can deliver almost constant barrage when it reaches vet 2. In addition Valentine can now keep sexton firing even when normal barrage is on CD. And that is part of the problem with balance changes, most of them are way too massive and they do not take into account that performance of units when they vet up. Units should be balance in all their vet levels. Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2018, 12:11 PMStark Really like the ideas here. Thanks In: Lobby
Thread: Feedback for Commander Revamppatch29 Aug 2018, 11:14 AM BRITISH GENERAL FACTION CHANGES Trialing change where Sappers, and Recovery Sappers have access to HEAT Grenades (The same as BOIS Tank Hunter Sections) Trialing change where Infantry Section/Tommies can now plant M7 Light AT Mines; replica of the Rear Echelon Mines. BRITISH ARTILLERY The m7 have no reason to be available to Tommies, they already can be built sandbags and trenches and feel more like engineer unit. If Tommies need some sort of snare the heavy gammon bomb can be redesigned as more of an AT weapon and not be model after the normal satchel charges. In addition since now UKF have normal snares one should rethink the rest of their snares and AT weapon like ATG accuracy bonus, tread break, sniper snare, heavy gammon bombs, tullips snare part. Sexton Changes intended to give similar performance to USF priest, with some different characteristics. AOE damage from 1/0.25/0.1 to 1/0.5/0.2 AOE distance from 1.5/3/4.5 to 1.25/2.5/6 Range from 135 to 160 Supercharge Victor Creeping Barrage no longer shares a cooldown with the main barrage Again a step in the wrong direction, modeling a unit after a unit of another faction is usually bad idea. Sexton has very low CD that scale with veterancy (-40 barrage CD). With the purposed changes and the changes to valentine the sheer volume of fire Sexton can provide is over the top, proving almost continues fire Suggestions: Start with a smaller change to AOE like 120% instead of of 200% and if any more firepower is needed move to vet. Valentine Changes intended to make this unit more potent in combat. Main gun damage from 80 to 120 Population from 12 to 8 Sexton Creeping Barrage no longer requires veterancy 1 The combination of fighting abilities and the utility of radar is simply too much for this unit. Suggestions: Remove radar from the unit and balance the unit as light/medium tank with vet bonuses/abilities suit for the role. Allow the radar as an upgrade to the vehicle similar to command vehicle that add penalties to fight capabilities of the vehicles and would be limited to one. This change will allow the vehicle to be balanced allot better. Reduce the vehicles ability to crush infantry. Perimeter Overwatch Now launches an off-map mortar shell every 8 seconds and 25 pdr shells every 16 seconds at enemies in friendly sector. This applies on a sector-by-sector basis. This ability does not suit the commander, it should be swamped with "counter fire" ability available to advance emplacement commander that should not have that ability in the first place. Having the ability to make better emplacement and the ability to counter their natural counters with "counter fire" is very bad design and should be removed. On the other hand moving the ability in this commander will make solidify the commander an responce to enemy spamming artillery. Concentration barrage This ability overlap with pyrotechnic allot and is redundant is a more powerful Sexton exists. Suggestions: Replace with "smoke" ability, ability now provides smoke instead of HE CP could go down to 2. Pyrotechnics now also provides smoke barrage for tommies. TACTICAL SUPPORT Artillery Cover - Removed Swapped out for Churchill Crocodile Adding Croc to commander making it one of the most common abilities available to 3 commanders is not needed and not suited to the theme.It almost feel as if the croc is add to the doctrine so the unit can enter "scope" and be balanced which is actually a very bad approach. If a doctrinal unit is needed one can add a Sherman or M10 or Dozer. Churchill Crocodile The Crocodile has been adjusted to have its gun match other tanks. Smoke has also been added to allow the Crocodile to provide combat support. Main gun damage from 80 to 160 Can now fire smoke shells; ability similar to Comet and Cromwell’s Smoke Shot Suggestion: Lower rear armour is the value is simply too high (applies to some other vehicles also.) Remove dot damage from flames (this change can apply to all vehicles) add an ability that add the dot flames but aim at a specific area. Changes smoke of the vehicles to solidify the role as an infantry support vehicle. Smoke work like normal churhcil instead of shot blocker now work like the older version of commando smoke providing "cover bonus" status to infantry without the cover bonuses. The unit now offer synergy with infantry. Recovery Sapper Squad Cost from 450 to 230 Manpower – one squad instead of two Can throw smoke grenades for 15 munitions Repair speed from 1.6 to 1.85 Forward Observation Post Upgrade available to the Forward Assembly which grants the FOP abilities to the Assembly Costs 100 manpower and 10 fuel For more info about commander design here: https://www.coh2.org/topic/81270/commander-rework-approach and https://www.coh2.org/topic/81491/suggestions-for-commanders-revamp In: Lobby
Thread: Feedback for Commander Revamppatch29 Aug 2018, 09:50 AM Can we pls have the new changes in the mod merged with old changes so that one can read all the changes in effect is version of mod? In: Lobby
Thread: Feedback for Commander Revamppatch28 Aug 2018, 22:57 PM Assault Engineers Veterancy 2 now bolsters squad to five men upon reinforcement This is a bad change since 5 men squad with flamer will be problematic. Suggestions: lower price, allow 2 different upgrades flamers or Thompson (2-3) (increases squad size to 5, takes all weapon slots) also gives access to WP grenade requires an officer. (in addition :The ability for blowing up cover has its cooldown greatly increased now cost mu or completely removed. (the reason it available to Ro.E is to help them clear room for emplacements) Elite Vehicle Crews Repair speed increased by 0.5 Veterancy gain increased by 15% This is a huge bonus it would be allot better to replace with a vet 4 level. M10 Tank Destroyer -HE ready aim-time from 1.75 to 1.25 -AOE Mid Distance from 1 to 1.5 -Fixed an issue where HE critcal would not apply to vehicles on deflection. -Fixed an issue where HE shells could not be fired into the FOW. Aimed HE round ability added that will blind enemy tanks and disable weapons for enemy tanks for 6 seconds and provide decent affect against infantry. Costs 35 munitions. This is change in completely wrong direction. M10 is a very cost effective unit the only reason it is not being used is that M36 is a borderline OP unit. Buff the m10 is the wrong way to go about it. Suggestion: Make the unit a call-in unit to but not commander that has other AI call-in tanks (mechanised for instance). Add premium when called in and make it also build-able from major at normal price. Remove AP round (add smoke if necessary so the unit can be used as flanker. ) Sherman 105mm Dozer The intention has been to give this unit a more devastating anti infantry and emplacement profile. Stats reflect a less potent Brumbar, with the upside being that the 105mm is turreted. -AOE distance from 0.325/0.75/5.5 to 0.425/1/6 -Distance scatter max from 4.8 to 2.5 -Now deals 50% damage on deflection; akin to Brummbar Veterancy 2 Bonuses from +20% speed, +20% rotation, +30% Accuracy, +20% Accel/Decel to 0.8 Received Damage, -15% weapon reload, +20% rotation Veterancy 3 Bonuses from 3: +35 weapon rotation, -20% Reload to +35% weapon rotation, -10% weapon reload, +30% Accel/Decel Actually I am amazed by this change it seems that people have learned nothing from the introduction of USF mortar? Does USF need more AI tanks ? Does a doctrinal unit with no tech cost should be model after a very powerful vehicle with a very high tech cost? Should a unit be buffed just to compete with a unit that is already great at its work? Simply redesign the unit so that it does not overlap with the standard Sherman. Suggestions: 11CP 105mm Bulldozer Sherman unit redesigned as indirect fire support unit with the crew unable to disebark. Option 1 A tougher version of priest with smaller range and a barrage with less shells (3?) and lower CD. Unit to be used to break the front line instead of being used to bomb the base. Option 2 A smaller version of KV-2 used both a tank and in siege mod. Option 3 a version "heavy infantry support tank" in other words the unit loses lethality for HP/armour MECHANIZED COMPANY Mortar Halftrack - Removed Mechanized Group WC-51 and M3 Halftrack consolidated and available from the Rifle Command. M3 requires either a Captain or Lieutenant to be deployed. WC-51 50cal HMG upgrade cost from 60 to 45 Receives shared experience Refit and Refuel Re-added to the game in free slot Combined Arms Added in place of M21 Mortar Halftrack Alternative suggestions: "Refit and refuel" redesigned to now replaces a vehicle with another for the cost: This gives a player more room to invest in light vehicles since he can now replace with with better as the game progress. WC51 can be refitted to an M3 M3 can be refitted to M21 optional: M20 can be refitted for grayhound Stuart can be refitted to m10 Sherman can be refitted to a 76mm Sherman Refit can be locked behind tech or XP level of the unit. 76mm Sherman Population from 14 to 12 Cost from 380/135 to 380/125 The unit needs to vet bonuses looked at it can reload under 2 sec and with combined arms the unit will be broken. The unit can also be moved to armor Armor company where it fits better thematically. Other suggestion: Move m10 to this commander since it can then be a call-in unit with out causing an issues since the Dozer/m10 combo will not be available. It even suits the commander better thematically. In: Lobby
Thread: Suggestions for Commanders Revamp.27 Aug 2018, 21:30 PM Changes to USF Faction: Officers Officer are a beat of problem as they are "free" unit that sometimes is not wanted. My suggestion is to remove the free squad lower MP price of tech unlock but give the tents a new ability to "promote" a full entity riflemen (or maybe any infatry) to an officer for the cost difrence. The unit would then be moved out of the map and an officer appear in its place. weapon racks Lmg racks replaced by m1 garand rack. The rack would give units access to the m1 garrant C taking up all slots and giving access to a weapon with a profile closer to that of an bolt action rifle increasing long range DPS but lowering mid to close DPS. Lower price of bar to 30-45 adjust DPS to new price but leave most DPS to mid range. Riflemen one could try the following approuch, lower cost to 260, move some RA accuracy bonus to vet 0, replace m1 garrand with carbine rifles that are optimum at mid range. These changes aims to reduce the bleed of Riflemen while moving most of their power in mid range and allows an adequat perfomance in long range if one choose to arm them with m1 C. In: Lobby
Thread: Suggestions for Commanders Revamp.27 Aug 2018, 21:29 PM proposed changes for USF: The abilities that have been removed imo can be tweaked and reintroduced in the current commanders or used in new one. 8CP 155mm Artillery Barrage the ability is fine as is 1CP Forward Observers this ability imo should be moved to RE. It could provide +2.5 vision to RE and another +2.5 when in cover. 4CP Recon Sweep make the plane drop flares in its path so that vision linger for a little time. Change could also affect major planes. 0CP Elite riflemen allow riflemen to gain a 4 vet level giving them a passive ability like out of combat healing. 2CP Withdraw and Refit this can become a very interesting ability with the following change, certain units can be withdraw and replaced with other units. For instance WC51 at vet 1-2 can withdraw for a cost difference and be replaced by an M3, then the m3 can be withdraw and refitted by the M21 Mortar Half-track. Other changes: Elite infantry Unlike other faction commander design for USF faces other issues and elite infantry is one of them. These units have to compete with the riflemen that are already very strong and already get free squads. As a result these unit are very strong and expensive yet see little action. So my suggestion would to make these unit cheaper with a allot less punch but available allot earlier. Their late game scaling can then be locked behind tech. Changes: Paratroopers CP from 3 to 1. Allows early access so they can be built instead of riflemen. Weapon from carbine to m1 with a profile closer to bolt action rifle. Comes with a WP grenade that both blocks vision and can damage Price down to 340-280 Can not pick rack weapons can upgrade with 2 "super bazookas" or 2 LMG when major is unlocked. LMG suppression ability has its cooldown greatly increased. Pathfinder Antennas can provide a small RA bonus for a mu cost. Rangers CP from 3 to 1. Allows early access so they can be built instead of riflemen. Weapon carbines with weaker long range stronger mid range. Comes with a fragmentation grenade. Price down to 340-280 Can not pick rack weapons can upgrade with 2 "super bazookas" or 5 thompson when major is unlocked. Thompson profile changed to fit a a close quarters weapon. Bazooka upgrade Fragmentation grenade replaced by "sticky bomb" share similar to conscript Grenade. New vet 1 ability "(rangers) Lead the way" unit gets RA bonus for an MU cost. Airdropped Combat Group Price adjusted accordingly, first strike bonuses move to veterancy or removed, other changes similar to paratroopers. Paradroped weapons Split cost to manpower and mu. Assault Engineer Squad Unit has 2 upgrades available 1 flamers or 5 Thompsons (increases squad size to 5, takes all weapon slots) also gives access to WP grenade requires an officer. Other unit can build and dismantle tank traps (tank traps removed from RE or replaced by sandbags). The ability for blowing up cover has its cooldown greatly increased now cost mu or completely removed. (the reason it available to Ro.E is to help them clear room for emplecements) Elite Vehicle Crews Upgrade Crew can upgrade with 2 Thompson for 10 mu? Other ideas: For an amount of manpower/fuel crews can now gain a 4 vet bonus that gives them utility Crews have a chance of surviving a vehicles being destroyed while losing 3/4 of their XP. 0CP M10 'Wolverine' Tank Destroyer unit can be called in again paying a premium for it or can be built from T4 for normal cost. However it not available to companies that have AI call-in vehicles available. AP round removed from the units since it should be used for flanking, flank speed as vet 1 ability, the ability could scale with veterancy. 11CP 105mm Bulldozer Sherman unit redesigned as indirect fire support unit with the crew unable to disebark. Option 1 A tougher version of priest with smaller range and a barrage with less shells (3?) and lower CD. Unit to be used to break the front line instead of being used to bomb the base. Option 2 A smaller version of KV-2 used both a tank and in siege mod. Option 3 a version "heavy infantry support tank" in other words the unit loses lethality for HP/armour Raid tactics No longer provide vision bonuses. IR pathfinders Reduce the cost of arty removed the vehicle criticals 0CP M4C Sherman fix vet bonuses since the unit can end up with a reload lower then 2 secs. 6CP P47 Strafing Run lower cost and lethality of ability Riflemen Field Defences rename "Field Defences" move sandbags and mines to RE leave wire and fighting position to riflemen. Riflemen should have a speed penalty when building. 3CP M1919A6 Browning LMG Remove from rack, the ability now is an upgrade for Re.E. taking all weapon slots "volley fire" rebalanced with lmg in mind. In: Lobby
Thread: US BARS24 Aug 2018, 14:29 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Aug 2018, 14:07 PMKatitof And why weapons with such weapon profiles shouldn't be in game? "Because I think so" is not a valid answer. Ignoring multiple weapons because they do not support your point is also not valid move. Don't cling zealously to balance decisions that are no longer present in coh2 for more then 4 years now. Suggestions: 1) Read 2) Understand 3) Quote and respond only if you response is relevant to what you have quoted and if you reply is relevant to the thread. (Now if you bother reading the previous posts you will find the answers to your questions.) If you want debate small arm fire I also suggested to start a thread about them, since I have no intention of following you in derailing this thread which is about Bars. Have a nice day. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: US BARS24 Aug 2018, 13:28 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Aug 2018, 13:11 PMelchino7 ... Grens G43, Falls FGs, Obers IR STG & PF G43. ... True but these weapon hit the field later having smaller impact and/or have other restriction. Fixing VG STs/Penal SVTs is a more important issue. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: US BARS24 Aug 2018, 11:05 AM Jump back to quoted post24 Aug 2018, 08:28 AMCombatWombat ... Colour me an idiot but I had no idea that the DPS profile for lmgs decreased, the closer you got... Explain why my double bren IS are so awful at close range. ... Most Weapon profiles are designed to promote relative positioning. So the perform better at certain ranges and worse at others. This way the benefits of better placement are magnified. If the lmg DPS increased at close range smg units would benefit less from moving to point blank. Now they get a bigger advantage. That is one of the problems with V.G. STG and Penal SVT. They weapon's curve are almost linear (they are simply to effective at all ranges) allowing these units to perform adequately at all ranges. As for the rest of your analysis one has to keep in mind the weapon of the rest of the squad since some weapons mix better with others. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Storm pioneers are too cheap and too fast to deploy24 Aug 2018, 10:55 AM Jump back to quoted post23 Aug 2018, 23:51 PMelchino7 ... Kinda. There's a difference between wasting your CE building T1 and then waiting for Penals to be built (either because you wait mp for after getting a cons or having a worst opening by either going another CE or straight penal) and having a faction with extra mp and a strong unit as a starter. For either case: Is OKW opening and first 5 mins push really strong ? IF so, why not remove or reduce the extra mp they get from the get go and instead smooth it with the cost of SwS trucks ? Are Penals opening still too strong ? If so, you could either increase build time of Penals. .... Yes there a difference between Penal and SP. But the fact remain that these unit hit too hard and are too expensive for their time frame. These unit do so much damage and the fact that early engagements have a big impact magnifies the affects and increases rng while reducing tactical play. Increasing time to build is a solution but imo there better ones: replace SP with VG as starting unit or/and reduce cost and pop of SP to 260-280 replace 2 ST with MP40 allow then to upgrade to 2 more for mu Penals reduce cost to 280-260 replace 4-6 SVT (fix curve so that they perform optimum at mid range) with mosin offer upgrade for mu In: COH2 Balance