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Damn, this would have been awesome

Lol I just noticed I mistakenly write 250 instead of 251 Halftrack a couple of times.

But yeah, I got many good ideas that will never be implemented, for one reason or another.

There is no way to revamp brits to be a fun addition to the game

Bullshit, just because you don't know how to doesn't mean there is no way.

Of course I can try but I won't waste my time trying to prove some random stranger on the internet that'll just say he doesn't even care even if I do.

Reworked "overwatch-doctrine":

Overwatch:
• 0 CP: Goliath
• 1 CP - Forward Recievers and Early warnings merged
• 2 CP: Jaeger Light infantry (improved version with "coordinated fire ability")
• 2 CP: SdKfz 223 „Radio Car“
• 8 CP: leFH 18 Artillery

Some thoughts about PANZER ELITE
I think this doctrine should give you not only improvements to your tanks. OKW's tanks are obviously the most expensive ones, come relatively late and you will barely have more than 2.
As some guys already wrote a call-in infantry unit would be a good way to give this doctrine some punch in the early game.
So why not give this doctrine a "Mechanised Elite Group": A SdKfz 250 with Obersoldaten. That would give you the chance to get "early" Obers, who can vet a lot better. Considering the high price for this group, spamming would not be possible.

This group would fit in well with the other abilities already mentioned in this thread.

Panzer Elite
•CP2 - (PASSIVE) Panzer Tactician
•CP3 - Mechanised Elite Group (SdKfz 250 with Obersoldaten)
•CP4 - Breakthrough
•CP7 - Tank Commander (improved version with HEAT mun)
•CP13 - Tiger I call in

Thanks for the feedback!

Your idea of a Panzer Elite commander is very good, but it gives me another idea on how the PE could really be brought back into a single commander, at least sort of. Of course this is just entirely my opinion.

223 Command Car - From SnakeEye's "All Units" mod, capable of capturing and locking down territory in order to increase resource production. The PE as well as the OKW are not able to build Observation points or resource caches respectively so this would be a nice addition to the OKW, of course you would be securing territory but for a cost of manpower, fuel and population cap space.

251 Halftrack Mechanized Group - The 250 is open topped, comes armed with double MG42s, perfect for supporting your Panzergrenadiers, can also drop med packs since the PGs won't have med packs like the Sturmpioneers in order to heal on the move, similar to the USF Mechanized Company M3 Combat Group Call in. The Panzergrenadiers inside would be an expensive alternative to both the Sturmpioneers and Volksgrenadiers. 4 or 5 man squad armed with Kar98ks initially, could be upgraded with StGs or Panzerschrecks similar to the Stormtroopers and they can also only repair vehicles.

Jagdpanzer 38(t) "Hetzer" - firing the normal Panzergranate, cheaper non-tech alternative to the Jagdpanzer IV.

Repair and Recovery 251 Halftrack - also like the 223 being able to lock down is present in SnakeEye's "All Units" mod, can recover German vehicle wrecks in order to get them fully operational again, impedes an economic debuff according to the vehicle in order to be balanced, that meaning that recovering a Panzer IV would be a lot cheaper than a King Tiger for example.

Tiger I - Same as your idea, reason for it is the same as the AT Hetzer above.

This is inspired by the Ostheer Mechanized Assault doctrine together with the Panzer Elite's concept and of course what's possible from the All Units mod in order to cram the PE into a single commander, more or less.

I think that the light vehicles would be the most interesting things here since they would be able to cover some of the OKW's draw backs, especially the 223 with it's locking down of sectors and the 250 Ambulance being able to reinforce on the move, or at least being a bit more mobile.

Alternatively the Repair and Recovery 251 can be replaced by some sort of Artillery strike, similar to the Ostheer Mechanized Assault doctrine.

Like I said this is just my opinion, cheers.

There are some design problems, I would like to point out. Both the Panzergrenadiers and the Grenadiers both use K98s. It will result in conflicting roles as well as some miss interpretation. Units should have clear and define role. Expamle in live: Stormtroopers, and Obersoldaton. Stormtroopers by stock are better than Grenadiers however seeing they do not feel unique people doubt this. Oversoldaton uses the same weapon a Volksgrenadiers but what people do not know, is that there stock performance is equal to vet 2 riflemen with two BAR and greater that vet three no BAR riflemen.

Another overlapping role is the short barrel StuG and P4. Both are focused on anti infantry and when upgraded with long barrels, they both become more anti-vehicle focus. Additionally, I did not see any thing about an Ostwind (another anti infantry unit) and some sort of non doctrinal AA I say is mandatory. A separating the global upgrades for the P4 and StuG would be good so the player can designate one from another.

This reminds me of a side project that I a typing up before publishing. It is possible faction designs of CoH3. Germany has enough unit variety to support three to four unique factions. Here are three rough ideas.

Wehrmacht (Eastern Front)
A more linear teching faction with having access to weapon racks. This faction more simulates fighting the eastern front.
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Afrika Corp
This will combined inspiration Soviets, OKW, and Panzer Elite. This will focus around a singular infantry unit, the Panzer Grenadiers. A lot of global upgrades for there singular infantry unit.
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Atlantikwall (France)

This faction I would make it more defensive in nature. Infantry, Emplacements, French equipment, and the King Tiger for late game. I would also make this faction use the Battle Phase system and base it around three tiers (0,1,2) Germany is largely know for the big tanks but also know for field craft and modification of captured French items.

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About my idea, yes I actually realized this after I thought about it a bit more. So as far as AA goes, the Ost would get the 20mm AA emplacement that the OKW has, for anti-infantry capabilities, I intended for the StuG III E to act as a Brummbar sort of while the Panzer IV would be your main anti-tank tank, both in their short barrel versions, but yes you are right that at a later point when they both get upgraded to their longer barrel variants they will both lose some of their anti-infantry capabilities so I need to think about that a bit more, maybe the Panzer IV can still be just as good against infantry? I have no idea.

The reason why I skipped out the Ostwind and Brummbar is because of historical accuracy, there were 20 Ostwinds and about a hundred or so Brummbars if I recall correctly.

I also thought about making their pseudo T4 upgrade into a "late game" phase upgrade instead of it just upgrading the StuG and PZ IV and unlocking the Panther as well as the Command PZ IV call in, it would also upgrade their support weapons like the MG34 and Pak 36 (would have been better if there was a Pak 38) to the MG42 and Pak 40, Panzerschrecks would also be unlocked doctrinally with this upgrade but not until then and so forth, basically an "end game" phase like I said.

As for your ideas, the Afrika Korps makes no sense, there were no Elefants, Hummels, Hetzers, Brummbars and so forth in Afrika, I understand that you are trying to make them gameplay wise relevant but this is sacrificing too much historical authenticity in order to reach gameplay playability, it's almost funny, hell even the Soviets are pushing it, fighting heavy stuff like King Tigers and Jagdtigers with AT rifles.

About the Grens and PanzerGrens since I forgot to mention them at the start, yes the PGs would have better skills at handling their K98k-s and later other upgraded weapons, but the ability to repair only vehicles, inability to build as well as different weapon upgrades and I even thought about them having a passive aura around vehicles to make them even better tank supporters would make them a superior infantry alternative to the Grenadiers especially in the late game phase where infantry generally drop like flies.

Of course one could argue that that would make the Panzergrenadiers pretty OP straight out of the box so to that end, I would make the Mech Tier a sort of Mini-PE so to speak with it's own Panzergrenadier related upgrades. So in effect you'd be even more mobile and effective but at a cost.

Also, you mention about Germany having enough stuff for even a 4th Army, what do you have in mind for that?

I'd share my thoughts for the OKW but they'd basically be 70-80% CoH's Wehrmacht in effect but if you want I can write down my idea for them as well here.

Cheers.

Tiger IIs were deployed on the Eastern Front in September 1944, so it still fits the Ostheer perfectly fine. It isn't more of a stretch than giving the Brits the Comet or OKW the MG-34.

I agree with you, for the most part, however still the WFA are centered largely around the Battle of the Bulge, while the Brits are based around their Rhine crossing Army in 1945, which perhaps makes sense with the lack of the 25 pounder emplacements and their less reliance on emplacements to some extent.

I actually went as far as to have the idea of replacing the Wehrmacht base buildings with the OKW HQ trucks since it made more sense, the Ostheer part of the Wehrmacht was lightly armed and armored during Operation Barbarossa and highly mobile, as well as well trained and equipped, supplied and had a lot of available manpower.

To that end I'm not going to go into much detail but this is how the Ostheer would look like in my mod if I made it:

HQ truck (T0)

Combat Pioneers - 5 man squad armed with MP40s, could be upgraded to flammwerfer 35s and Panzerbusche 39s exclusively. Could also plant demo charges to destroy cover and so forth, build sandbags, Tank Traps and Bunkers of course. Can't repair vehicles, only structures.

Grenadiers - 5 man squad using the AT crew models armed with K98k-s, could be upgraded to MP40s or an MG34, access to rifle grenades at first, gets replaced by regular Stick grenades when upgraded, can stack sandbags.

Kubelwagen - comes unarmed and can cap, can be upgraded to an MG34 but loses the ability to cap then.

The HQ could also be upgraded with medics.

Infantry Support HQ truck (T1)

MG34, GrW 34 and Pak 36(renamed M42, but can garrison due to small size, was on the fence about giving it a retreat like the raketen).

Mechanized Panzer HQ truck (T2)

Panzergrenadiers - 5 man squad armed with Kar 98k-s same as the regular grens, could be upgraded to Mkb 42s (renamed StG-s) or an MG34 again like the Grens and also perhaps to Panzerbusche 39s? Can only repair vehicles and throw bundled grenades.

251 Halftrack - Open Topped, when infantry are inside the MG34s on it are manned, can be upgraded to a mobile ambulance (can be setup to deploy medics and reinforce infantry, perhaps could even have a forward retreat point?), mobile repair shop (same as the ambulance but instead of medics it deploys repair pioneers) double flammwerfer 35s on each side and doctrinally can be upgraded to the Walking stuka and perhaps others.

250 Halftrack - comes unarmed, can be upgraded with an MG34 or a GrW 34 mortar. It can also carry a single squad, serves more as a light and faster support HT compared to the 251. It would be nice if we could put a Panzerbusche 39 on it but I sadly think it's impossible atm due to no model editing.

Panzer support HQ truck - (T3)

StuG III E - Short barrel StuG, nuff said.

Panzer IV F1 - Short barrel Panzer IV, found in Theater of War missions, same as the StuG. Would be nice if we had a Panzer III as well...

Schwerer Panzer production upgrade - (serves as a pseudo T4)

Upgrades both the StuG and Panzer IV to their long barrel versions, allows the calling in of a Command Panzer IV, said Command Panzer IV can be upgraded to a long barrel version but has a lower rate of fire and accuracy due to additional radios. Also unlocks the Panther.

Bunkers can only be upgraded to MG34s, that means that healing will come from the HQ or mobile ambulance HTs, repairs are divided by Combat Pioneers and Panzergrenadiers, repair pioneers can repair both buildings and vehicles in their immediate vicinity. I am also still wondering where to put a forward retreat point, in the infantry support HQ or in the ambulance.

This redesign of the Army is meant to replicate the early to mid war Ostheer, like I said, mobile, well trained and equipped (not best) and having a lot of manpower available to them, that's the reason why for the 5 man squads.

It also has an interesting dynamic where you could go pure infantry without the need of tanks so it's entirely up to the player and how the match goes.

As far as the OKW goes, they would get the wooden base structures, heavier and later war stuff like the MG42s, Pak 40s, Panzerschrecks, Stg-s (proper assault rigles compared to the Mkb 42s) side skirted Panzer IVs, Jagdpanzer IVs, Panthers by default, concrete bunkers, dragon teeth tank traps, Pak 43s, King and Jagdtigers and so forth.

Of course the Ostheer would also have access to heavier stuff like the Tiger, Pak 43s and Elefants, MG42s, Pak 40s and Panzerschrecks but doctrinally.

The OKW would however be a slower to develop and heavier more defensive Army like the CoH Wehrmacht than the current early game rush Axis force they are right now, they would also have more 4 man squads because of the lack of firepower and more experience.

So it would basically be a trade off between the 2 German Armies in my mind, the Ostheer becomes this early to mid war rush Army that is mobile and light and the other things like I said while the OKW becomes this slow and "fragile" behemoth that has access to less manpower and resources but more experience and better weaponry.

So to get back to the topic, I would cut Ostheer to 1943 in terms of tech and the OKW would take off from there until the end of the war basically.

Still tho, I mean your suggestion is nice and all but I'm gonna go with the "unique" crowd this time (god forbid) and say that the KT just simply doesn't fit with the Ostheer's time frame so to speak.

And yes the Soviets would be redesigned as well like the Ostheer in an early defensive Army again focusing on the early to mid war period and I guess most of their stuff would not be weird since they didn't really "tech up" during the war compared to everyone else so to speak, no rocket propelled anti-tank weaponry, no Halftracks of their own and so forth.