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Thread: [Winter Balance Update] General Discussion27 Nov 2020, 08:02 AM

27 Nov 2020, 01:57 AMWhiteFlash

First Reaction:

Most of this looks very promising! However, I would like someone representing the balance patch team to please explain why the USF Pak Howie isnt getting nerfed a bit more, specifically its autofire accuracy. Thanks!

Guys, pls test all changes and especially the one you don't agree or you personally think are bad. We would love to get as much reliable feedback as it is possible.

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Thread: Why Brits aren't op (and their design isn't bad)14 Nov 2020, 11:53 AM

13 Nov 2020, 16:01 PMCreativeName

In the past, Brit were either non-existent or insanly dominant in competitive play... which says alot about their design.

They consistently had to make up for missing basic stuff with overtuned sections and doctrinal OP units/abilities to stay competitive.

No other faction has such a polarizing effect to them like Brits, it feels like each player is either a Brit main or hates them.

I tend to agree that their current performance isnt op in the current meta (except for some doctrinal stuff) but their design is very bad and im not even sure if its even remotely possible to balance their units and keep em competitive at the same time

And how would you balance the faction whos techtree is 50% smaller than Sov/ostheer? If the faction lacks of basic units and tools then desinger makes other units or abilities fill that role by making them more powerfull and universal. It's really hard to find middle ground.

There is a reason why ostheer is called the best balance and design faction. It has counter to everything, big techtree which gives plenty of options and it's able to make his army viable with combine arms (which requires some skill to use). Compare to brits that best strat is to get 4 tommy squad in 1 blob. It's still way better than it used to be. Relic added more basic tools (we got airlanding officer, smoke barrage etc.) but such a simple tech tree and lack of diversity in number of available tanks or infantry has still huge inpact into the game.

But same issue was in coh1

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Thread: Pak 43 shooting through elevations/houses12 Nov 2020, 13:34 PM

9 Nov 2020, 19:07 PMLady Xenarra

Oh I take it extremely seriously. It's come close to ending a game a few times when I was Axis. But against decent ppl it only has the surprise factor and dies rather easily to ISG, infantry, AT guns or even Ele/Jagdtiger duelling it out. Not to mention call-ins after Brace is gone.....

It;s all depends on enemy build. It's pointless when axis spams leigs/mortars but sometimes happens that they have only 1 stuka and a lot of heavy/medium tanks. It can punish them heavily.

Help me win vs some top players and even killed elefant. People are too cocky when they have heavies on the field and they don't realize how much damage 1 or 2 shots of 17p can do to a vehicule.

But again, 17p has brace which can survive gustav barrage, stumtiger shot, leFH etc, when pak43 only counts on good placement behind sightblocker. Especially soviets has so many tools to kill or simply decrew that building it often ends with just loosing resources.

I would really prefer pak43 to not be decrew.

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Thread: Osttruppen12 Nov 2020, 13:25 PM

12 Nov 2020, 13:08 PMSander93

Osttruppen are really bad in 2v2-4v4 where combat strength of units is more important than the speed at which they can cap the map and overwhelm the enemy. This is why they are meta in 1v1 but aren't seen in higher level teamgames at all.

Besides that I think that the dynamic of Osttruppen (1v1), that they are very good for the early and mid game and then drop off sharply towards the late game, is actually a very interesting strategic dilemma that makes picking Osstruppen a bit of a gamble, and thus a proper strategic choice. If the enemy can't be effectively broken early/mid game, then they will likely win the late game. I don't think this dynamic should be changed (as in major buffs for their late game performance), except for maybe very small changes to combat power scaling.

+1

But there is a reason why this unit is most pick in 1v1. Simply it works with much less effort than other ostheer strats. Some small nerf is needed but some change to see this unit viable on higher game modes would be nice as well.

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Thread: Pak 43 shooting through elevations/houses9 Nov 2020, 18:24 PM

8 Nov 2020, 19:33 PMLady Xenarra

17 pounder can brace but is also a meme emplacement.

Do not underestimate 17p. It's very good, powerfull AT when you know where and when to build it. 1 or 2 shots of it can decide of entire engament and fate of the entire game.

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Thread: UI dream changelog 8 Nov 2020, 15:49 PM

8 Nov 2020, 15:30 PMOsinyagov

I was meant this ability

Name: "Tracking"
Duration: 20 Seconds
Cost: 35 Munitions

+40% sight range.
Will reveal enemy vehicles and infantry out to 70 range in the fog of war on the mini-map.

Kubelwagen ability for comparison

Name: "Detection"
Duration: Toggle Ability
Cost: Free

+20 camouflage detection radius.
-50% speed.
Will reveal units in the mini-map out to 70 range.

As you can see, both are about revealing the enemy on the mini-map

Ok, you are right, soviet ability reveal units in minimap as well. I forgot about that. I always use it to only increase my basic sight range to get lucky last shot with SU-85.

Still i kinda feel it's diffrent type of ability. 1 is used to hunt evemy vehicules and kubel uses it for intel and all enemy positions.

What about compromise solution. Let's leave that soldat but add a detection icon on top right corner.

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Thread: UI dream changelog 8 Nov 2020, 12:19 PM

12 Jul 2020, 13:19 PMOsinyagov

Looks great but i wouldn't make same icon for SU76/Su85 and kubel vet1 ability. It's diffrent type of ability where 1 gives line of sight and other shows unit on minimap and tac map.

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Thread: Sturmtiger OP AF8 Nov 2020, 12:09 PM

6 Nov 2020, 12:56 PMLady Xenarra

Considering the unit can't one-shot meds/TDs any more and has a long aiming time, that SU player could have easily gotten away on multiple counts. There's a reason it's rarely seen any more and it's not due to being stuck in one okayish doc.

(580dmg for a direct hit [0-1 range] but this thing can have rockets exploding prematurely on even the slightest bump in the ground )

If that guy move his SU85 even for 1 centimetre from a center of circle he would survive the shot.

Dead TD is mainly a fault of a player not Sturmtiger being OP.

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Thread: Conscript PPSH assault package8 Nov 2020, 12:06 PM

8 Nov 2020, 10:36 AMflyingpancake

Well in my idea it would be

+quicker vet
+cheaper price for 45muni
+6 tweaked PPSH for better synergy and conistency then 3 mosin (around Volk level)
+smoke grenade

- Sprint

(one could also argue for leaveing the sprint there and not giving them smokes)

It think this would be a buff overall.

Triple buffs are never a good idea.

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Thread: Combination of doctrinal abilities that should be removed7 Nov 2020, 19:01 PM

6 Nov 2020, 15:09 PMVipper

There are a number of doctrinal abilities that combine are simply too powerful and imo they should be removed. Here are some examples feel free to add other abilities combinations:

Super heavies TD and powerful off maps:
Ele/stuka
ISU-152/IL-2 bombing
JT/assault artillery
ISu-152/mark target

I agree with those above. Super long range heavies shouldn't also has elite call-in infantry, bombing run or barrage to kill emplacement dedicated to fight those heavies. Higher the gamemode the bigger the problem it creates.

But i wouldn't go so far with the changes you listed later. I mean pershing and rangers aren't the problem that cannot be counter or fight with. Plus what's the problem of concripts repairing ISU? Their repair speed is slow and while reparing they don't fight which cause weaker field presents. Problem starts when more than 2 abilites are very potent and potensially abusive.

i mean in your perfect vision of coh2 every commander with heavy tank should have nothing else. I would more focus on commanders that can counter and fight most on the stuff in game and are mainly without a weak spot.

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