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I did address it but please, go on insulting me instead of reading my posts.

You can also flank the pak43... even easier because it has way narrower arc. And can't turn as quickly as the 17pdr. Or because it has no brace. Or because it gets killed by small arms.

Also: i do play brits.

"If the 17 pdr is your only frontline unit versus multiple paks and indirect fire units... then yeah. But then thats your fault (like complaining a mg42 bunker is getting pak'ed to death). If it isn't, it's fairly easy to defend."


even i could no think about such a stupid argument

and its not only that but you counter argument your own point(fact being the 17 pounder is not a front line AT gun)

so well done mate

also cause you dont know much about the british is just obvious (dont you know the 17 pounder doesnt have arc but needs to lock on to a tank? which up close and personal is suicide) it also fires slower but how would you know that you compared to me shocks with werhmacht snipers.

and the only guy who insults you is yourself, just look what are you telling me your attacking yourself for no reason.

The point is that trying to compare 17pdr and pak43 is like comparing the ost sniper to soviet shocktroops. Both are anti infantry, both are infantry. One is stock, one is doctrinal. And that already is where the similarities end. 17pdr (like shocks, but unlike pak43) is a frontline unit. It can tank single units for literally minutes, even without brace. Pak43 is more of a long range, sniper like unit, which is why it has higher range and ignores terrain. Both units have entirely different uses (apart from both being AT), just like sniper/shock. If i were to argue that the sniper needs a buff because it has less hp, less dps, cannot self spot, is more expensive, costs more popcap (?) etc. people would call me crazy, and rightfully so.

Considerably lowering popcap and/or cost of 17pdr will absolutely DESTROY teamgames. Emplacements already are cancer enough.

you dont get it,BOTH units are not frontline units.

the 17 pounder is not a front line emplacement wanna know why?

cause then even enemy AT guns can hit it so good luck trying to repair it when 2 at guns fire at it WHILE you get barraged to death.

Don believe me? play any game mode,try to build it on the front lines then report your results.

the best comparison to them would be the Werhmacht sniper compared to the Soviet sniper,one happens to be more deadly(werhmcaht sniper/pak 43) the other happens to be a little more durable (soviet sniper/17 pounder) one thing is certain THEY ATTACK AT MAX RANGE.

that's actually a good idea. the problem with the brit base artillery is that it's hard to get into range against things it's actually usable against. the b4 also has HUGE scatter on the standard shot (about a screen if you're aiming at the center) but it was way to strong with precision shot for obvious reasons.

its gonna be an accurate Shot but it wont be easy to do(cause it will be an accurate B-4 shot).

Unlike the British howitzers which do nothing more then demolish ungarrisoned buildings.

You're right.


Good point about terrain pierce too, it's important.

I'm not talking about nerfing overall power though. It can be any mechanism that makes turtling up difficult. I like dynamic play, that's why strong emplacements bother me.

The cost of emplacements are pretty high and their too big(size),and this brings many problems,one of them is the lack of an actual force to protect them,the other is the lack of an actual answer to their hard counters(artillery,flame weapons)cause once you lose them you lose the game and how hard it is to use them in alot of maps or how hard its to even place them in the first place.

the other is the population their taking kills your army and economy.

the worst offender is how cheap their counters are(mortars,ISG) compared to emplacements and how effective those counters are to the entire faction and the last straw is how the british are unable to answer to that,in vCOH you could atleast try to bomb them to hell with 25 pounders but now....now 25 pounders are the definition of useless......

i DONT WANT emplacemetns to be the ONLY VIABLE option to play us the british BUT i want them to be A VIABLE option,and i want to feel i have choices on how i can answer to their counters just like i have an answer to an AT gun.

if those 2 things are fixed turtling wouldnt be UP and it would be enjoyable for both sides.

Both of these guns have a same role but should be used differently, the 17 pounder is a beefy emplacement that can and will take a beating before being destroyed, but the pak43 is a glass cannon, deals a shit ton of dmg from a great range but is easy to counter with any kinds of artillery, cheap barrages will most of the times decrew it but heavier arty (Let's say Time on Artilley) will demolish it with one go with 99% success rate also remember that that once the pak43 is de-crewed it loses all it's veterancy also and this is a big loss especially if you have 3-5 stars on it

The 17 pounder can also self spot with the flare (dunno if it's removed since I haven't used this unit in a while) which is pretty stronk if you're forced to retreat from a fight

But back to the actual topic: the Pak43s pop cap is fine since it's so fragile to artillery.

17 pounders pop cap is a little too high, something like 16/17 would be fine for it, now it's just a pain in the arse to have on the field since you can't push out nearly as many tanks. Taking to consideration the amount of fire power needed to destroy this thing, but the pop cap shouldn't be 10 by any means, this would cause people to spam them like hell, since they're so hard to kill compared to the pak43

you think the 17 pounder is not weak to artillery??

they are used the same way cause their the same units,you put it on the front lines and your gonna lose it,you put it too far near your base and you may not use it at all and eat your pop for nothing.

BOTH AT GUNS have long range to shot FROM A DISTANCE

10 pop for the pak 43 can not be considered ok if you think the 17 pounder should only take 14-16 pop
their the same unit!!!!