RealName refers to T-34-85s, not SU-85s.
So how come a T34/85 is twice better than P4 !! .. yeah its slightly better because its a commander tank, and come later at T4, and has to face pgrens shrecks, while P4 faces only ptrs.
Not to say PAK40 is better than ZiS and stug3 is better than SU76. |
85s are 40 mp and 5 fuel more
yet twice better than pansy IV
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what a joke.. comparing medium tank (giving hell to infantry ) with tank destroyer only!!!! ... |
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low health, narrow window and expensive tank, it worth its fire power for sure, otherwise no one will build one.
OST can easily build 222 to limit the movement to T70, so it cannot chase retreating infantry, 222 car (15 fuel) is a good counter for T70 tank (70 Fuel) .. so it should have good fire power to justify. |
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Agree... Usf has a lof of methods to counter mgs, adding the 81 mortar was totally ball_shit |
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well played price |
Which is exactly why these stats and ratios should ONLY be top 250 vs top 250. Any large margin outside of that group is moot data, but possibly including another 250 (top 500) would be a good control.
If Relic wants to use such data to justify the current balance to ESL, at least make it valid ffs.
This is the point, it should be top 250 vs top 250, then we will see op okw real win rate |
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280 is way expensive in my opinionfor 50 cal which require tech upgrade, the suprior mg42 is 260 only and available without teching |
It's only good at suppression and I'd say it's probably the worst HMG in-game. It doesn't do much damage which means it also has a lower vet gain and has all the disadvantages of the 42 (set-up and teardown) without the power.
Also I'm pretty sure the MG 34 is actually 5 pop cap. 1 for the gun, 1 per member of the crew is what the files tell me. The tool tip is probably bugged as that can be completely separate from what the actual unit value is. This was already found previously when the OKW patch came out for Soviet Guards when the tool-tip said 6 despite actually being 8.
I am sure its better than maxim, less damage but very good wide angle, anyhow if it's 5 pop cap in reality its some how fair, need Confirmation |
Smoke and flank, once 2 models are down mg34 has to retreat or risk losing it. Maxims have 6 men and if you want to start arguing about 50cal then explain the whole decrewing for higher popcap for americans. Come to that pak howi clears them nice and quick. Okw is poorly made, mg being doctrinal and shrek being overly essential.
I would love for the mg34 to not be doctrinal but relic has not changed it yet so it looks like it will stay as it it no matter what. I would love for shreks to be off volks but I have yet to see a good suggestion that would work and not be over powered or useless At infantry of less than 5 models is just too easy to wipe.
But since I did read any good suggestions to anything from op I guess its just L2P.
I know how to counter mg, i am talking about pop cap. Mg34 does supression well with wide angle for only 4 pop cap, other mgs has more/less advantages with higher pop cap, simply unfair |
So basically nerf the MG34, yes? How about you look at some of the other OKW units that need nerfing and leave the poor MG alone, the only thing which it needs is a slight price increase, not a flat out nerf putting it even further behind all other mgs.
Nobody talked about nurf. I am discussing the low pop cap/mp price which helps okw player getting other pricey falls/obera , read before you comment |
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