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Thread: How come Axis infantry get all the snares?23 Jul 2019, 17:35 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2019, 15:39 PMSeductiveCardbordBox Axis are perfectly capable of crushing triple zook rangers in return Or zook paratroopers Or even Zook REs Or Piat Infantry sections Or Piat commandos Well, YES and NO, it is more complicated: U can equip any unit with a piat or bazooka. When you give a bazooka to, say, three separate squads they cover each other and it is impossible to do such things. Circling one squad means another will shoot. They also seem to (correct me if I'm wrong here) to shoot bazookas almost on the move - you can't make them run around and not being able to aim like you can with panzershrecked panzergrens, or you can to a less extend. They ara also 4 to 6 six man squads and are much more difficult to wipe or when you do wipe say echelons they are cheaper to build back. With ostheer, on the other hand, you can equip only one type of unit with 2 panzershrecks, not one. You lose a lot of antyinf capabilities (USF and UK, me included, like to equip bazookas and piats on the units that will make them lose as little antyinfantry capabilities as possible). Basically with panzergrens shreck team you get theoretically powerful antytank squad but in reality if a player kites it they will be dead quickly. The funny thing is that it is exactly why penals got satchels imo. They, like ost, can equip ptrs on penals and other units can get them only through doctrine (cons). Of course, there are also guards and partisans with shreck. Guards have button and partisans at grenades. There are also doctine cons volley grenades. So Soviets actually are quite potent in infantry anti tank department. Unlike ost unfortunately. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How come Axis infantry get all the snares?23 Jul 2019, 15:18 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2019, 15:17 PMSeductiveCardbordBox AT satchels are not the answer against a player that doesn't commit the sin of overextending. True, but now you can overextend and just crush pzrgrens. You shouldn't be allowed to do that because that's a sin And holy mother Russia doesn't let penals be treated this way. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How come Axis infantry get all the snares?23 Jul 2019, 15:16 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2019, 15:07 PMOrangePest Pios get satchels with the new commander lol. True - but I thought they are just demolition - not anti vehicle. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How come Axis infantry get all the snares?23 Jul 2019, 14:59 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2019, 14:53 PMDangerous-Cloth Just reading this thread makes you realize why this game will never be balanced. Almost everyone wants their cookie for their preferred faction at all costs. Anyone who doesn't want that gets hunted down and gutted like a fish by the rest lol. The funny thing is I play USF and UK now and in 1v1 I feel sorry for ost. That's why I'm writing this. Allies play against two factions only, which makes it much easier than playing against 3 factions. Why do they insist that they should play just against OKW. I'd rather play against two powerful factions than one powerful and one where your opponent must be like 3 times better than you. Coming back to the tread - satchels should be given as snares for ost to make the game more even in 1v1. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How come Axis infantry get all the snares?23 Jul 2019, 14:53 PM Guys - if it's lots of crap how come I keep having almost 100% matches vs OKW? Ppl just don't want to play ostheer. One of the reason is people who ignore all logical arguments. The only ost infantry unit that has sensible AT weapon can be cheesy crushed circlestrafed by a vehicle. It is also very expensive and can really die like a fly compared to allied counterparts. Where is your logic? Whan it comes to brains - Katitof why don't you even try to understand simpe facts? TO your points: 1. I never wrote that counter play isn't a valid option. It is - just circlestrafing supposedly elite panzerkiller squad is not (especially if you can't do it to your opponent's squads). 2. Yes mines that go off at everything can be better in various situations - if your opponent has a sweeper it is better to place two mines in two different parts of the map for almost the same price than one to be discovered. You lose then more munitions than your opponent who invested in a sweeper. Sweeper stays on your opponent's unit. You just wasted 50 munitions. The light vehicle is still a threat. 3. It's not the lightest at the beginning. You have healing, fausts, tellers, and flamepio. Then flamehalftrack and pzrecks. 4. You mean OP satchels???? 5. Micro should be used and as ost you need to use it. Very often as allies you just charge with infantry from different angles and its done. Or just wait for t70. If you are not too careless you won't hit a teller or even if you do you'll inflict enough manpowerbleed to let you infantry dominate. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How come Axis infantry get all the snares?23 Jul 2019, 13:13 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2019, 12:07 PMMr Carmine What an sence off entitlement. You think penals are spammable? Circle strafing is cheese now? Pgrens should be unmatched in their at role because of the price? Ost already got survivabilty via commanders a while back. Now prgens and ostwind recieved big buffs. Making it al lot easier to with lights. Ost has the suberp at mine. Ost have very strong handheld AT kept in check by low hp and on 1 unit type. Ost has stun/snare for their at gun. Axis tanks have or get more armour and hp with vet non doc then allies can. And you complain about the sherman? Just place more then one teller mine in a game. Its 2 clicks. Nothing micro intesive about that. With at satchal you either need to snare it before hand or setup an ambush. wich is more/as micro intensive because you always need other units to achieve this. The grass isent always greener on the other side. Hi Mr.Grass In 1v1 ost is considered just much weaker than okw. Tellers are not the answer against a player that doesn't commit the sin of overextending. Placing a teller is not micro intensive but making your opponent hit it with a light vehicle is a totally different thing. Also it is easy to lose 50 munitions because decent players suspect tellers and invest in a sweeper. Ost needs munitions for healing, panserfausts and those shrecks. Planting a teller means that again you are behind in infantry power race (e.g. no flame on pios). At the same time penals can use the sstchrl when they want not before they need it. Don't forget forget that allies have better mines, 30 muni universal mine is just more flexible to use and then you just kill with ptrs, satchels or any form if at. Also usf ac has the best anti tank mines in the game and is not doctrinal. They also have a bazooka inside and a non doc smoke on the same vehicle, plus crew repairs just in case, oh and crit repairs. Don't you see how many more abilities there are on allied units compared to ostheer (I insist once again not OKW). I just hate for the last 10 years how everybody keeps repeating this nonsesnse about the mighty teller. Just use sweepers. Players simply want to win the game too quickly and keep attacking instead of learnig where to stop and wait for the sweeper. Panzergrens are built earlier but lost medkits. They got some vehicle proximity aura. Ost has still 4 man squads that are completely crap on the move and without cover. The stun an a pak or stug used to be a game changer a few years ago. Now it's no longer that good. Actually usf at gun has much better abilities. You seem to forget about ap rounds on jackson. Also shermans have stock smoke that slows vehicles down for 5 seconds. And I do believe that circlestrafing a unit making it unable to stand still to shoot is cheese. Especially when allies made sure it cannot be done against their own squads. Pzgren are supposed to be elite tank destroyer inf. They are too squishy to perform their role. Not much point in super armour if you can't repair vehicles as quickly as your opponents. Still UK tanks or Sov are armour beasts. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Ostwind's penetrations23 Jul 2019, 09:58 AM Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2019, 04:17 AMMakiesKurisu U never test or present data but flame others.How can u test the AI ability of an AI meduim except throwing infs at them? If in game u will never have ur infs against an AI meduims?"Ostwind performs better than Centaur" is not a hypothesis but a fact. Ostwind and Centaur are different according to the data and performance. Ostwind have greater AOE(3 against 1) and DPH(40 against 14), making it more effective when counter multiple models target, meanwhile it got a hull machine gun to elimate those models at low health. The test is simple, and everyone could do it so I didn't describe it in detail. 2 4-man RE Zook teams (sticked together, u can use tank trap to stick them together then delete the tank trap or moving the squads out from a same cover.) in no cover against a still Ostwind/Centaur at near max range of zooks (slightly above 30). 4 out of 10 times Ostwind win. 0 out of 10 times Centaur win. Also test that Ostwind elimate 6-man Cons at around 16s while Centaurs elimate 4-man Grens at around 18s. (but in fact UKF did not have 6-man squad while OST could have, and as stated above, Centaur is not as good as Ostwind when counter more squads) Conclusion: Ostwind is almost even against Centaur when dealing with 4 models but better when dealing with more. And Don forget that UKF could not non-doc Art Units, just like Scott for USF, they shoulder some AI ability that rocket artillery do in the other 3 factions. So even Ostwind performs just as a centaur copy may still be somewhat problematic. My idea: In my opinion, slightly nerfing its AI ability cut it price a little is resonable, either keep its damage but lower the range to 37(zooks' range is 36.75 if equipped with intel) or nerfing its far cooldown to 0.5（also set its range mid to 35) may be enough. Chaging its maingun that AOE can now only hit three models max is also an option if possible. Considering its AI ability it after nerfing and adjust it's price to 280mp and 90f or so. I will politely disagree. It is supposed to be an infantry killing machine. Other factions have lots of infantry killing vehicles. I understand it could be a shock to see a unit that must be countered using combined arms. You just need AT gun or a medium tank or a tank destroyer to reliably deal with it. Add a few bazookas and a snare and it will go down in seconds. The only problem may be if you prepared your army composition to deal with infantry only, investing in infantry lmg squads forgetting about your at department this unity is supposed to punish you for that and push off the map. Remeber that this unit carries some risk with it for the ostheer player - it's really vulnerable to tank destroyer and medium tanks (I somehow think centaur has more armour). In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OST pg question23 Jul 2019, 09:37 AM Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2019, 20:30 PMpetal i am a noob, so i am not saying that i am right about something but looking for some suggestion. i only play 2v2 and i am talking about 2v2. since pg can come out without building, there is a strategy among lower rank games(12-14). 2mg > pg shrek > fast ostwind usually,i go light vehicle against mg spam start,as at the beginning of the game if i go motar and mainline infenty, i can't hold the line and my motar will be forced back. however,the early Panzershrecks make light vehicle useless. i can't counter with light vehicle any longer. and they skip all the tech to get the fast ostwind and i can't find the punishment about skip tech. now, as brit i am even thinking about rush bofor and go semi city,which i don't want to go. what should i suppose to do as all ally faction? is it an ok idea that pg can only upgrade Panzershrecks after build t2? i think i counld be good as pg can still come out earlier but make t2 building a necessary AT building. My advice would be this - he just invested 340 manpower and 100 munitions into an AT squad. Invest the same into infantry counters - flame, riflenades, bars. It's only 4 man squad and when focus fired will die/retreat quickly. With light vehicles just don't get too greedy and keep it far. You can absorb a volley and go back for crew repairs. Use it a lot. You have to depleat their health a bit and back off. The next unit or the same after repairs shooting at them will either kill them or make them retreat. you should be generally happy if you see this strat as it is extremely risky for ost. Lucky packhowie shot, grenade or just infantry focused fire may easily kill shrecked pzgren and it's gg. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How come Axis infantry get all the snares?23 Jul 2019, 09:14 AM Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2019, 04:14 AMkitekaze Satchel for Sov = Teller mine for Ostheer. They both denies enemy vehicle rush to other lines without proper support. Not true - you have to be just totally reckless to hit a teller. Just stop putting all munitions into flamers/lmgs/svts/thompsons and so on, and build a bloody sweeper. You will detect the teller/s and your opponent just lost 50 munitions. The fact that a lot of ostheer play revolves about this mine just shows how this faction is helpless against light vehicle rush. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How come Axis infantry get all the snares?23 Jul 2019, 09:06 AM Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2019, 07:42 AMMusti Wow, it's amazing how Pfaust isn't good enough to fight/snare lights and at the same time satchel is too difficult to evade XD You also have infantry with light snares as allies (at grenades). You just got more powerful snares (satchels) on already potent AT and spammable units a few patches ago, and on cavalry riflemen last patch. You also got elite bazookas. USF also got the possibility of adding more hp to shermans. While at the same time ost needs to rely on superb pak play or much better control of units with gens always backing up panzergrens for the snare. It's simply so much easier and less micro intensive for the allies. Once again, cheesy strats of circlestrafing AT panzergrens should not be allowed by giving them some snare, best satchel just like for penals. In: COH2 Balance