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Imo the only mainline infantry that should have sandbags are those that benifit from them via a cover modifier.
Cons (pre 7 man it's essential for their intended role and poor stats, and after the upgrade for their bonus)
Tommies, again cover bonus. Although I'd toy with the idea of moving the trench to sappers and making it more attractive somehow
Ostroppen, yet again a cover bonus. Similar to cons their job is to be holding ground not taking it.

All engineers on the flip should have access and any other mainline access should be doctrinally gated. Cover is important and should require sacrifice to generate, not on the units you are using to take ground through brute force as you want them anyways. Make unit composition more important and viable.

Agree with all the above - but then grens should have it without doc as they will never be stock 5 models squad. One thing to be remembered - even if they get sandbags it is (in my opinion) not going to infuence the game much. It will probobly make the game less micro intensive for ost (no need to run around with pios that much) and let players surprise opponents with grens' positioning (not as predictable as map cover). It's just a detail that will make game better and reward skill. It may mean that some players will come back to building grens instead of skipping them. To make it even better you could remove bunker building ability from grens. It could be reserved for pios.

Can I say that most of us agree that it would be a good idea to give grens sandbags OR just remove them from mailnine infantry and let engineer units build them (especially now, with non doctrine 7th model for cons and buff to riflemen)?

Some mainline it makes sense to be able to build cover. Cons for example are meant to be utility units that hold the line. Cover makes sense there. Same with Tommies whom have worse stats when not in cover and horrible moving stats and no sappers until tech. They are static infantry so it makes the utmost sense for them to be always able to fight from cover.

Ost on the other hand is as combined arms as it gets. You should always have pios on hand and it's always worth having pios on hand. There is no real reason for grens to build their own cover tbh and if it's on grens then what happens if you plan to go ass grens? No sandbags for your mgs? No. It doesn't make sense.

I agree only to a point I'm afraid. What you wrote about sappers coming later for UKF makes perfect sense - tommies need cover. But they retain this funcionality throught the game. It is so much more convenient to use the unit that needs cover to build it itself. In real game situations it could be a gamechanger as sappers will be repairing vehicles, sweeping for mines, using ATs on tanks and won't need to help mainline infantry. This is the problem with grens and generally ost. They will need to stop repairing a tank to build sandbags for example. It is not fair and much more micro intensive. Think when you have 3 tommies. They will build their cover very quickly while their sappers will place mines. Ostheer will have to wait for three sandbags and the mine 4 times longer.

It should also be remembered that at some point in the game tommies will become 5 men and will still build cover (grens won't).

Grens are even more horrible on the move than tommies - trust me on that

I can't understand why you want ass gren to build cover - they don't normally need it. They are not a stationary unit. I don't see a problem here. Still you can always give this possibility to them.\\

I don't like tbh when everybody keeps repeating that ost is about combined arms as an excuse for making their units/abilities worse. Yes, it is about combined arms... ...but so are all other factions. This is actually the biggest logical mistake I keep reading here over and over again. At the beginning of the game ost has access to mgs and pios. After it builds the first structure you get grens, sniper and a mortar. This is when UKF ar SOV can field similar units. USF must wait a bit longer for their mgs. But it is just the beginning of a match. Very quickly from the match beginning all factions have all combined arms tools that are basically of similar quality. Yet, ostheer is probably the only faction that has to rely more on them as their core infantry is inferior. Their support weapons aren't any better.

after checking his playercard I can confirm that he hasn't played a single match in at least 4 weeks (which means that he only has hidden ranks)

Who did you check? My ranks are visible.

I watched this thread and see many one mention that Tommy should lose sandbags but no one seem to consider why Tommy must have sandbags.

Post patch, Tommy depend on cover more than ever and since UKF engineer is in T2, Tommy have to built cover for themselves, or theirs early game is fucked.

Just like grens besically. They've been fucked for a while long now.