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Thread: The main problem with balance8 Apr 2022, 10:26 AM Jump back to quoted post8 Apr 2022, 08:41 AMEsxile [snip] I think the point you are alluding to (not even taking vipper seriously) is that tanks have become way too fragile and paperish for their cost in 2022 COH2. That's not only historically untrue but also ruins the gameplay. For example, T34/76's sloped armor could not be penetrated by any handheld infantry weapon of the war (not even Pansershrecks, read up on that) and it was truly a beast against the first generation of Pak ATGs (read for example Zaloga's account of T34s taking 25 hits of 37mm PAK only to lose their sight). Also, the 50mm PAK gun (the one portrayed in the game) could frontally penetrate the T34 only from maybe 200m. The only gun that could reliably penetrate all the Soviet tanks is the P4J's 5cm KwK 39. My point being: why make the in game T34 lose to 2 fausts + 2 shreck hits? Same goes for Axis and the rest of the tanks. I am not even going to mention the fact that heavier tanks like Panther, Tiger, Comet, etc. could not be penned frontally by even the best ATGs of the time from a distance less than 500m. People play WW2 games to see Panzers battling it out with T34s, not see a deathblob of Shrecks making tanks run behind. Hell, last game I had Jagdtiger plus Panther and I STILL LOST to 2 Zis Guns because the enemy snared the fuck out of 100mm SLOPED PLATED ARMOR. In no combat situation could this happen and I really think COH development and balance should focus more on tank battles and more fragile infantry rather than the opposite. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The main problem with balance8 Apr 2022, 10:11 AM Jump back to quoted post8 Apr 2022, 01:11 AMGachiGasm CoH1: 4v4 map has more MP income via strategic points, but total fuel and muni income is the same. CoH2: This alone leads to camping and totally fucked up timings, because not only main income comes from 4 points on the map, but also every single strategic point can be turned into a fuel\muni point. Controlling one fuel\muni point equals to controlling almost half of the total resources of this type on the map. Sure every strategic point has fuel\muni income in CoH2 unlike vCoH ones, BUT in vCoH one +5 point = 2 strategic CoH2 points either fuel\muni vise. And Montargis isnt even in automatch and automatch has maps with less strategic points, meaning that, because of how few of them exist on the majority of 2v2+ maps, there is objectively 0 reason to even fight for them and hold them, unless they are cut-offs or you want to delay enemy. +10000000 In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF Pathfinder spam is too efficient (2v2)8 Apr 2022, 10:10 AM Jump back to quoted post8 Apr 2022, 09:25 AMtheekvn oh, "bad design" again. No, Pathfinder is balance unit. Problem comes from USF coredesign, doctrine and current game state. Path spam only come back to all teammode since 4v4 tournament guided the Maxim + Path. Now, when we "Redesign-Nerf" Pathfinder. Then which unit carried USF long range combat at possible cost ?. Which inf unit could take a buff to justify the nerf ?. New idea from balance team break the game like everytime they do and would them listen to community feedback before saying " Out of scope, now deal with it" ?. Making Paths like their OKW counterpart (require CP1 and Sniper upgrade comes at cost) will not "nerf" them. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF Pathfinder spam is too efficient (2v2)8 Apr 2022, 10:09 AM Jump back to quoted post8 Apr 2022, 07:27 AMminhuh064 Yeah, just nerf the last straw US can hold on to be relevent and finally we can delete US faction. This game is just Axis vs Soviet game. If you say that unironically, then yes it's time to delete USF and nobody (apart from Protos Angelus) will miss it. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF Pathfinder spam is too efficient (2v2)8 Apr 2022, 10:07 AM Jump back to quoted post7 Apr 2022, 14:58 PMBizrock I don't know why balance team gives so much power to recon units like Pathfinders, JLIs and even snipers. Pathfinders actually are better at combat them rifleman, why? And JLI can be even better than obers, this is crazy. Recon units should primary do recon, them the combat aspect should be second. And why Pathfinders loses his camouflage while moving while JLI starts with almost sniper camouflage? A lot of things should change. But again, the main reason why USF always do cheese strats with especific commanders is because the base USF forces is lackluster. That's plain wrong, I am sorry. All that changes is the timing, and nothing else. Minute 0 cuckfinders can rape every mainline, especially if spammed, but in no way should saying "AIrborne got replaced by paths" be correct. Obers, LMG Grens, etc etc can rape cuckfinders a new one. The point of this thread is the timing. Not the combat performance of PF in and of itself. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The main problem with balance7 Apr 2022, 19:03 PM Just make better maps, game will be fixed. 1v1 map pool is awesome. 2v2 map pool is only lanes so meta is offensive A-move blobs (JLI, Paths, Obers etc) with snipers/mortar/hmg. 3v3 map pool is cancer. 4v4 map pool is level 150 metastatic cancer on every limb of the body. Give maps manpower points so that fighting only for fuel will starve you of men, remove choke points and remove lanes. COH3 will be epic then. See? You did not even need a stat fix. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF Pathfinder spam is too efficient (2v2)7 Apr 2022, 10:01 AM Jump back to quoted post7 Apr 2022, 09:44 AMVipper Airborne company is the most popular commander (load outs) in 1vs1, 2vs2 second in 3vs3 and third in 4vs4. Pathfinder do see lots of action across all modes... That is actually bad for the game. Basic english comprehension: Not everyone spams Pathfinders =/= Nobody uses Airbone doctrine. I have talked about it a lot in the past and I am not going to waste gray matter for you. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What really grinds your gears in CoH2?7 Apr 2022, 09:42 AM Jump back to quoted post7 Apr 2022, 04:26 AMteckins "i dont care about the game, i only wanna see the big boom" - Sigma Axisillionaire Mindset Fixed that for you mate. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: USF Pathfinder spam is too efficient (2v2)7 Apr 2022, 09:23 AM Jump back to quoted post6 Apr 2022, 23:40 PMGachiGasm Is it even reasonable, to compare axis late game cancer strats to a cancer strat which starts at 1 min mark and fully focused on ending the game before late game? Yeah, like smoke and blob I would be happy if paths remain "the only viable USF option™" and be better then rifles, but without a safe idiot prove bauble which decedents of pre-nerfed VSL use to grind their ladder ranks. Mate I am really sorry but that sounds like you're coping. Again, we agreed that Path spam is a cancer strategy, however it is not the only one and FAR from being a click to victory. Apart from the argument that counters are plentiful, like JLI blobs, mortars etc. just remember that if it were so effective everyone would be using it, which clearly is not the case. And no, Top200 using it is not really an argument judging by how absolutely broken leaderboards are. If you do the math, you will realize that the USF player needs about 1000munis in order to equip the Rear with 2xzooks and 4xPaths with double BARS is in the 700s. In order to give you the stick you will need 240munis to equip 3 LMG42 to grens, 100muni to give PzGrens double shreck. Such economic scale is not possible if the enemy is constantly moving a whole blob in the map. Basically, just because this strategy cannot be beaten by heads on fight but rather with moving around and starving the enemy it is deemed "too efficient". Clearly not. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF Pathfinder spam is too efficient (2v2)6 Apr 2022, 16:54 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Apr 2022, 16:52 PMAlphrum Paths vet too quick, increasing ther vet requirements is one way to help mitigate this strat without nerfing them into uselessness. Another issue is the ambulance. USF having forward healing and reinforce at minute 1 is stupid and makes pushing USF back almost impossible. BUT This is only true vs organised teams though as if the average noob does it, tends to lead to a dead ambo. That being said if you dont go this strat, i find USF very underwhelming in team games and the most boring faction to play with. If there is any future patches and this Strat gets nerfed, hopefully at the same time other areas of USF gets buffed Agree on the vetting of paths. Ambu is more than fine right now. 250mp and 10fuel is a huge gamble in early game and the potential reward of forward healing works great. In: COH2 Balance