The problem is that you'll never make the Comet because the Pz IV is helping roll your entire army. Or if you do, there's a wall of AT waiting for you and maybe even a JP4. You're playing to OKW's strengths, their late game is better, and they'll be extremely aggressive early on to try and buy room. And even if you get the Comet, they have the Panther which is overall a better AT platform and can outslug Comets consistently.
I don't make the Comet because the "P4 is helping roll my entire army" but because he expects his P4 to be top dog and uncounterable by any allied vehicle that comes out when his P4 comes out, I'm exploiting that weakness and it tends to pay off.I'm still better off with a Comet+6pounder than a Cromwell+6pounder or Centaur+6Pounder because he is forced to use his P4 defensively.
JP4s are extremely rare because OKW players seem to braindead, JP4 is top dog TD due to its reload, range vet camouflage and P4 armor for 135 fuel.No idea why they don't use it more.
Also with my fuel income by the time he gets the fuel for a Panther to "counter" my Comet(assuming he's built a P4 beforehand) I can build a firefly and lock him into a very bad spot.
Panther head-on 1v1 vs Comet might win 50-60% of engagements, but I can bounce and pen him just like he can do to me, it's more or less RNG based on who wins but I still have a top tier medium that has both AI and AT whilst he's stuck with a fragile P4 assuming it hasn't died and a fat TD with no AI except if he parks infront of a infantry squad. |
Sinking 500 mp into caches early on and hanging on for dear life till you get a comet is a dicey strat at best.
Load up your army and if you wipe a volks or blow up a kubel, then maybe get a cache.
Yeah I just hate going toe-to-toe with PZ4s(especially OKW) since they have bullshit high armor and I'm likely going to lose so I just want to have a tank a tier above it so I have to stop worrying fighting this mess. |
This really does just seem to be more a case of your strategy being totally ineffective against someone /not/ just willing to let you stall for a comet, rather than anything specifically wrong with Fallschirmjager.
Two fuel caches early on is a lot of wasted MP that you could instead have used for IS, or even more Commandos armed with Brens... or instead of rushing the comet get yourself a Valentine or Centaur to mulch his absurd investment in infantry.
How many Volks did your opponent have alongside his 2-3 fallschirmjager?
If my teammates that were playing normally in this particular match could hold them off to some extent and hold 1-2 VPs this could very well have worked in this particular case, but it didn't for a lot of reasons including that absurd 5 second time-to-drop smoke pots ability that he used each and every single time he saw my MG.
I'm sure he had atleast 2 Volks, also a MG covering the north side of Winnekendonk in the building next to the munitions point.
Maybe I should've gotten a sniper or double, but I fear of just not paying attetion for a single second costing me 360MP. |
I do think that falls were power crept,like just about everything else... their initial design was ambush pgrens with a snare and a better weapon. They needed to be used well or you would they were unsustainable (which is totally unreasonable for the late war Germany OKW was modeled for)
They were a fun unit, if a bit underappreciated.
A bit like commandos the camo went from how they are supposed to be used to a powerful optional aspect. Using Vetted falls from camo is so disgustingly powerful there is no counterplay due to the massive bonus and the raw power of the super FG42s that were introduced because losing models isn't supposed to be punishing anymore
Most players don't even use Fallshirms like ambush units since they can just blob them up and brute force them through allied units since they don't have that amount of firepower to stop 12 terminators with FG42s.
I saw a tightrope 1v1 replay where this OKW just build double kubel double Spio, then builds his PzHq on his fuel and proceeds to paradrop 2x Fallshirms on tightropes fuel in light cover completely camouflaged literally just waiting for half the match to ambush his UKF inf(he picked Special Weapons Regiment so he didn't even have any elite inf) so he was forced to spam double snipers.
Oh and the OKW also was stalling for a panther |
We can conclude, that you get outnumbered pretty hard. Even if the okw put his mp only in volks you would be in trouble.
Consindering the topic; Fallies arnt the problem or a powercreep here.
Sidenote: From my pov fallies arnt a viable option in higher rank games, since they doesnt have the durability they neeed in those meat grinders. They starve you mp and have only decent other commander abilites.
Obers are better in high-ranking games since they are good enough for that and aren't doctrinal so you can focus your doctrine choice on CAS, static arty etc.
Also about me being outnumbered, after I get a comet I usually immidiately unlock weapon racks and get commandos if I don't already have them, maybe even a second squad if I have got spare MP or go for a second comet/AVRE/Firefly/LM to keep the pressure on |
Partially. It isnt high level either.
You did admit, that your team is a one trick pony and that your strat doesnt work, if the other side pressures you with infantry, while you dont properly invest in anti infantry, just to get a comet.
Adapting is the only option.
Besides: If the enemy manages to get 2-3 fallies, they lack in other areas. They are a huge mp investment and carry a huge upkeep.
My question is: What kind of stuff do you build for your mp, while the okw guy is investing in infantry?
IIRC I had 2 unupgraded(MP upkeep for IS is too high to have more), 1 MG, later on built a second because of his blob, AT gun, RRE, and a single commando I believe.
I use RRE to build 1-2 fuel caches from the second minute on because the longer FC are on the map the more fuel you will get for longer.
My two teammates actually just play how they like, I'm the "support" that has less field presence in order to afford FC and heavier armor earlier than most would expect, which catches them offguard and is usually how we win because they invest in the medium armor game and it doesn't pay off. |
As I said, you're not adapting your strategy. You got used to rush Comet because it was convenient vs Pz4 rush in hand of low level players. But Comet isn't the only answer to Pz4.
Premade rank 470ish is low level? |
If you did not play another match, the last game is always saved as "temp".
IK about that, but I've already played over 10 matches since then |
I think this is were your logic fail. Build a Centaur if you need to. You can't simply say -Oh he is building something special that wreck my infantry but I don't want to give the correct answer because I want my comet.
This is Coh not CoComet, build a centaur if your opponent is playing with heavy infantry, support it with your own atgun, use your own infantry to focus his raketen so your centaur can go freely.
If you believe he is going to get sooner a Pz4 then build a Cromwell.
Aside from that yes Falls are incredibly stupidly designed and highly reward blobbing but OKW is all about blobbing so nothing special here.
I have noticed in my long playtime that a majority of axis players regardless of which faction they are currently playing rush for a P4, with early caches, no IS upgrades and holding atleast one fuel point, I can rush for a Comet and get it around the same time as a P4, because they expect a P4 to be a match-winning tank but suddenly get put against a Comet in which they are in a bad matchup, they wasted fuel on something that is going to lose against my Comet.
Doing this with a premade team has gotten me good results overall, averaging around a 79% winrate with my 3v3 premade team.
What is the big issue is the amount of infantry spam that occured in the match from a certain OKW player I was facing, he was putting too much pressure in the timespan he had before I got my comet, not that we were doing very well in this particular match anyway, but by the time I got my Comet( around 14 min mark which is a bit late for my strategy IMO) we had already been bled dry of VP points and we were all on edge that match so we just dropped IIRC. |
Please post the replay of the game where he beat you with falls, I would love to see it
Neither me or my friend bothered to save the replay since we were just done at that point |