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being a doctrinal unit they ought to kill sturm pios, especially when theyre in better cover. |
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sturmpios are still incredibly strong in close range though and you need to back up and stay out of their cqb zone to win, and if you dont the sturmpios will win out...
They just dont insta whipe MGs when they flank them anymore.
IMO i think the nerf is justified, theyre tier 0 units, they shouldnt be able to instawhipe. |
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i think people need to play the new patch some before any of these kind of discussions even have merit. There were a LOT of balance changes. People are expirementing and figuring out what strategies work and dont work. Playing one game and losing it isnt a good argument for "OMG SO UNDERPOWERED!" |
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I'm kind of uspet that they didnt even attempt to address this at all in the patch... namely for heavy tanks. But this applies for almost call vehicle call ins...
Lets look at one example of the issue in sheer numbers...
ostheer :
tier 4 tech costs: 760 / 190 (battlephases 1-3, then buying t4 structure, you currently only need to buy this if you want a panther)
direct unit costs
panther: 490 / 175
elephant: 720 / 245
tiger: 720 / 200
The first panther costs 1250 / 365 after you add tech costs, making it i believe the most expensive tank in the game if you consider tech costs.
buying two?
cost for 2 panthers - 1740 / 540
cost for 2 elephants - 1440 / 490
cost for 2 tigers - 1440 / 400
People have quipped that call ins are popular because "theyre more cost effective", but cost effectiveness doesnt even come in to play. if you want cheap tanks buy heavy tanks. Does relic even realize that t4 medium tanks cost more than heavy tanks?
Theres just no real strategic reason to buy t4 medium tanks.. |
Their ability to fight each other. If I bring 2 E8s to a fight (and nothing more) against a tiger, I can reasonably expect victory with proper mirco
T34/76 I can expect to lose to a badly damaged P4 or destroy the P4 with terrible damage of its own
Like comparing chess pieces. Bishop equals knight. Rook beats both. But B and K together beat rook
thats not actually how scoring of chess pieces works. You wouldnt trade a bishop and a knight to capture a rook. |
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the gist of all axis vs allies match up is that axis tanks are better but cost more. |
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Some balancing changes seem very spot on, some im not sure about. Though I'm going to hold my judgement for a couple weeks and play it some.
Easily my favorite change is the priotize vehicles button.
However I'm quite underwhelmed with the warspoils changes. it needs something bigger. I'm hoping the next patch will let me do something with my SIX duplicate faceplates besides just hide them. Duplicates need to be re-rolled and redistributed. |
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if they make any changes to decrease panther cost or buff it, it needs to be in tandem with requiring tech for call in tanks. |
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i wouldnt hold your breath unfortunately.
i number all my replays for this reason. |
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i always go for a timing push when i get a puma, you can bring it out quite early, and theres not much that is really strong against it until medium tanks.
keep it away from at grenades and dont hit mines, besides that i keep it in comabt and push the lines with it until i see some kind of tank and then ill start playing a little more cautiously with it (keeping it out of sight and bringing it in for a flanking hit and run, then go back in to hiding) |
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