If the other dude gets enough fuel and manpower to get six T 34/85s, you are not doing well. On the other hand you can tech up and get two panthers, if you also have decent map control
I don't believe in such fairy tales of getting one Tiger and 2 Panthers in one game by one player. Not in 2v2s which I play the most. I saw soviet players getting at least 4 T34/85 in many games and while using Guard Motor I fielded many times at least 4 85s.
Maybe the 4v4 meta will be different, but 4v4 = zero interest for me. |
What if I told you that you have tier buildings after T2 and they are hiding units, one of them rips a new one to T34/85?
Then I would answer to you that teching costs will be a problem for me, and that soviet tiers exist too. All this situation will lead to a soviet advantage late game / end game.
In addition, I talked about only about call-in comparison, but even if you extend the discution, the soviets remain in advantage. That's my opinion, but we'll see if I'm right by playing the game afterpatch. |
I'm not a top Ost player but I have good success rate countering T34-85 with a swarm of Pumas (mobile defense doctrine). T1 + T2 + puma/command tank. I also used the doctrine and Puma swarm to counter Easy8 spam with success.
Vs Sov, the mortar was effectively a big problem and it has been addressed with a good nerf, I didn't test it during the alpha but regular Sov players were crying high when they did remove the precision strike and reduce the damage qualifying it as rubbish now.
People crying now that a Tiger can't counter t34-85 are simply retarded and honestly for most of them it doesn't surprise me reading their comments. Because yes a Tiger can counter two 85 and there is no need to cry for that, so now its time to think a bit further and start using other doctrines/strategies than regular tiger ones.
I'm not the one to complain about these changes, not really. I like how CieZ sees the problem and I think he's right about many issues. But claiming T34/85 call-in will not be a problem it's a little to much. And I will relate to your example, which refers to Tiger.
Letting hypocrisy aside, let's not pretend that the ostheer player which will use a Tiger doctrine won't be disadvantaged facing a soviet player using 85s call-ins if we relate to call-ins situation. Observe I used the term "call-inS" and for a reason. While the ostheer player can field ONE Tiger at a time, he will have to face not 2 T34/85s but maybe 4, maybe 6. Who knows? Maybe he will be able to preserve and vet his Tiger. Maybe the soviet player will be able to do that too. Result? One Tiger vs 2-6 T34/85s. Do you think it's balanced? I don't, and something tells me I'm right. |
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Red almost all thread now and it feels painfull.
I would listen to what pros/top player say. Ciez replies and analyses are making sense. So is what Hans said. I think it's about people that played alpha are disapointed because just few of those changes were implemented.
I think that Relic's way to do things is a little strange though, testing on our nerves. If they thought people playing this game are not ready for such big changes, they could have tested it more and release them after. My opinion is that this is the worst way they could solve things. Patience is not something people have, especialy young people. They wanted a 180 degree change? They should just implement it and game over. This steps approach is the worst. My 2 cents. |
T-34/85 SPAM IS GOING TO BE EVERYWHERE.
I knew that since the second I saw the leaked patch notes. It's logical. What I don't understand is why they are fixing just heavies instead all call-ins |
Yes they do, considering that a rifle grenade will force a maxim to retreat pretty much all the time.
This is situational. Not every time. Not if I have 4 models left from that little army of six. |
or with some changes, than it will be more speculative.
Rather this. |
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Stop crying over OKW "bad design". The actual OKW status is due to the long overnerfing list that it received along the way, since creation untill today. To adjust and operate changes is good. Overnerfing is bad and force you to do other changes that are no needed and that will trigger other changes. If brits will be changed in the same way, we will not recognize the faction in one year mark. As happened to OKW.
It's kinda same situation with women: All their life they are trying to change you, and when they finaly did it, they look at you and say: "you are not the man I fell in love with anymore". |
Your logic will be crushed within 24 hours, so you better come up with something new. 
Well no doubt it will be, and I'm verry curious. I will add that releasing patchnotes before the actual patch it's not something positive. I am sure we will club each other to death over something we didn't even experienced yet. I think that after patch notes release I will leave and comeback in 1 month. A hell of a shitstorm is comming. |
They should move Volks to the Mechanized Regiment HQ, need Sturmpios but buff price, and make Kubel suppression cost Munitions. Also give Puppchen better anti infantry, and vet 0 stealth.
And we will never see sturmpios or kubel again unless one of these will be the starting unit. That will be the joy of allied fans. Especialy when we are talking about sturmpios. Oh, how much they will enjoy the incoming patch!  |
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