Profile of BeefSurge

PIATs are good if you manage to snare a tank with a Gannon bomb or mine. Vs everything else they suck.

I mistyped, sorry lol. I do agree with you, I meant that all things considered IS starts are useless.

All the infantry centric abilities in commando regiment are good. Vet 3, double Bren Hammer Tommies combined with the Assault and Smoke Raid abilities are great for lategame pushes.

I actually agree with almost all of these suggestions, except for the Commandos reinforce change. 35 to 50 is too drastic, I'd say they're worth 40.

I didn't ignore them at all though? Because the argument that grens are designed to function only with support weapon help, then why do other factions get to skip on using combined arms themselves?

It makes no logical sense why basic infantry should just be "better" for the same or similar cost for no reason when options are equally available to both sides. Nothing is stopping USF players from supporting their riflemen with .50 cal's, nothing is stopping a Soviet player from supporting Conscripts with Maxims.



The price increase on the HMG42 and nerf to the Ostheer mortars ROF seem to point that Relic cares more about things being appropriately balanced based on price rather than faction exclusivity. The Soviet and Ost mortars are about equal now, and the maxim has it's place as the most dirt cheap non-doc HMG.

Really this entire argument that Grens are fine totally hinges on the idea that A. They are very easy to just a-move and always win or B. That they aren't mean to not be able to fight enemy infantry alone.

A is incorrect as I previously demonstrated and B is incorrect because every other faction has just as much opportunity to support their units just like Ostheer does.

In and so far the logical conclusion we can draw from this is either Cons and Rifles need their new premium vet scaled down, or Grens need a boost up.

Every faction has a different playstyle. If just by looking at teching and stats you can't tell that the Ostheer is the "support weapons faction", just like the USF are the "infantry faction" and soviets are the "spam" faction then I just don't know anymore.

When Grens are available, so are hmg42s, mortars, pios, and snipers. No other faction gets this flexibility with combined arms. The purpose? Use individually sometimes inferior units to support each other and win. Because of assymetric balance, the other factions are in fact designed differently.

U.S. Forces .50 cal requires going to an otherwise light vehicle tier; it comes very late, doesn't synergize with a sniper and mortar, and isn't even viable in rifle centric builds because of the necessity of the M20 and MP bleed. The Americans don't even have a sniper or mortar to use it with either.

Soviets choose between crappy, durable support weapons they can spam or snipers and light vehicle cheese. At no point in most games will a Soviet player even have the opportunity to have a sniper and AT gun out at the same time, as one example.

Looking at the above its really clear what relic intended for each faction; it's also really clear why Grens should ultimately be beat by Rifles at all game stages. If you want to buff the infantry fighting ability of Ost lategame, then campaign for hmg42 buffs in lategame, Pzgren buffs, and things of that nature.