Profile of Part time commie

I edited the OP to make it easier to find the arguments and not have to read trough everything. Might make some more videos.

@Arclyte
The molotovs are 25 fuel for the upgrade and 15munitions per shot.

I find these grenades very effective.
Especially against low armor squads as conscripts, they nearly always force retreat.

I don't know about their cost, but it doesn't bother me. I mean, grenades are always a certain 'jump in the unknown'. You never know what you're going to get.

Yes, it's good to note that all grenades have their own randomness too, dealing very low damage at time for 30MU, this one is much more constant and can deal squap wipe/force retreat more often than people might expect.

its only the CD that is affected by being out of combat. you have to keep the unit out of combat for the CD to recharge. shooting or getting shot at stops the ability from recharging for a period of time. so if you go for 3 volks in the early game you wont be able to use it that much since youll have to keep them infight to seize/defend territory.
basically its also possible to use other grenades multiple times over the course of one engagement. you wont be able to do that with the infiltration grenades though

Would you pay 30MU many time, or pay 10MU once to pretty much seal the deal on the first go? The choice is rather simple for me.

CoH is a serie of won engagements, if you can push/stop your enemy dead straight and prevent your enemy from winning them from the start (of the engagement), dosen't matter how long it last. You can then use your momentum to cut off more of their ressources. This squad/wipe force retreat makes it worth the 2min cooldown. As i said above, they are also very constant with their minimum damage apparently, which is nothing to snuff at.

You will not find me standing in your way

I expect you have seen that Ami genially refers to the Balance section as "the Latrines", since they were something of a bad joke on the old board. It may assist if i put the thing in this way: the problem seems to be that some posters (usually new to the board) may think Relic is deputing their staff to trawl through every balance thread which is created here. The new posters somehow inspire themselves to think up ideas, which they hope will come to and inspire the attention of the Devs. They insert 'Relic' into the title of the thread, as if Relic will hone straight in on it.

But it does not work like this. The Devs have discussions with the Top Admins here. In turn, the Top Admins know what is going on in their board, and where to look, if they need to assess feedback on a particular issue. But as I said earlier, the Balance section has a certain 'whiff' about it and will likely continue to do so, unless and until a vociferous minority either learn to debate responsibly with their peers, or quit the game.

More Moderators are being badged, which will also assist with handling bad manners and fights, but the bias is more difficult.

Ahah, thanks and no i didn't know about the old nickname, i wasn't a forum dweller back in CoH1. I know the balance section is quitte.... well what you said, i tough about posting it in the gameplay section but this is definatly about balance.

I try to bring mostly a calm argumentation and invite people to do so, but it seems that as long as the vocal minority "says no" it's no, however good your argument is, being supported by tests and Relic's own design decision.

Also what does Ami stands for? it means "friend" in french so i am confused.

I expected to be flamed for saying it, i prefer this outcome much better.

Wow i kept trying to force myself to believe that there was no bias on this forum. When we were discussing American companies no cared if it was doctrinal for the price the answers were : but you don't have to invest in the teching, it should be more expensive.
Here we have : it's doctrinal, it should be less expensive.
Long animation time, short range? Not more than other grenades, the first grenade will be thrown at the same time as the others.
Easely dodgable? How's a grenade with a much bigger AOE, multiple explosions that "stuns" your squad any easier to dodge than a normal grenade?
How hard's a 2 minutes cooldown compared to a squad wipe?
Charge the enemy who's holding the grenades? what about he throws the grenades in front of him? Great area denial for 10MU and it will criple the squad so much it might just retreat.

Get real, those double standards have to stop.

Edit: I am generalising.

Hm, you forgot the distance from wich they can be thrown. The squad must be in almost melee to throw them. This is a downside and make them balanced. Oh, I see, you cannot melee charge "microless" with your ppsh units anymore and that doesn't like you. If the amo cost is increased, then the range should also be increased.

I swear i bursted laughting reading your reply. Especialy the part where you started attacking me for using shock troops.

If you see a volks squad (long range unit) or an ober squad (long range unit) move into close range, you can expect a grenade volley. Close range units (Sturmpios, JLI) don't have access to the ability. The animation is longer than a normal grenade and even those are pretty easy to dodge.

I keep rewatching the video and i don't see how longer it takes to throw it or how short the range is. Compared to the molotov (paid upgrade and 15 MU) it's thrown pretty fast and in a much less obvious way. The deviation of grenades also seems to extend further, making it longer than it appears in that throw circle.
They could just wait for you to move in and use it as a defensive ability, negating a huge area.

I can agree with a munitions increase to 20 Munitions since the OKW have shed their 66% munitions income debuff.

I don't think the low cost had anything to do with the lower income. Because if you lower the price the lower income dosen't become a flaw anymore. Which means it was as it was before, just even more cost effective.

Edit: it means that it should be counted as a 10MU grenade for any faction, before the patch but also after.