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Thread: ISU-1524 May 2014, 00:24 AM Jump back to quoted post3 May 2014, 18:31 PMJaigen Dude , Stalingrad was not even the strategic objective when case blue started let alone vital for victory. How could it not be vital? it was an huge industrial city, it had stalins name so it would have been a huge propaganda win, it was a THE city to capture have if they wanted to create a defensive line at volga river which would have let germany get oil independent while denying soviet their own oil. Also Huge soviet supply lines came through volga. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ISU-1523 May 2014, 17:43 PM Jump back to quoted post3 May 2014, 17:37 PMtokarev Exactly. Never wonder where, when and how Nazi party got their money? Three words : United States of America. so? Getting some initial money (loan) isnt the hard part, its making sure your investments are good investments. You think Greece will be a new superpower now when EU loaned them some money? I think not. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ISU-1523 May 2014, 17:29 PM In all honesty its impossible to know how it would have played out, germany was indeed in a bad spot but i still think it was a slim hope to get somekind of peace agreement in 1942 (especially if axis would have captured stalingrad). But then again, we will never know for sure. But again, you gotta admire the will to fight of the German people, not many countries continues to fight basicly all into the reichstag. Yes the japanese was kamikaze crazy too but they have always had a culture of Death before surrender all the way back to the samurai-era. The Germans was "western" culture. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ISU-1523 May 2014, 17:10 PM Jump back to quoted post3 May 2014, 17:02 PMBurts The reason why the war was lost after the battle of Moscow because after Moscow, USA entered the war. Even IF germany won stalingrad and defetead the USSR, there was simply no way they could of built up a navy and defeated USA or UK. USA would of simply nuked germany like they did with japan. They didnt need to invade US, they simply needed to keep them from europe. Sooner or later the public wants peace. I dont think the German people would had surrended even if US would drop A-bombs since they didnt even surrender with soviet troops rampaging in Berlin with most of germanies cities in rubble. And also how many A-bombs would the US public tolarate being dropped in Europe? Many ordinary people in USA didnt want US to get involved in the war at all. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ISU-1523 May 2014, 17:04 PM Jump back to quoted post3 May 2014, 16:39 PMBurts Except that in 1944, german production of everything was higher than ever before, and the soviets certainly knew how to win in 1941. Do you know operation typhoon which ended in a german failure? Or maybe operation uranus? The war was allready lost after 1941, Moscow. Stalingrad was the final nail to the coffin. If german production was higher in 1944 im sure Soviet production was still atleast double the production of Germany. Operation Typhoon failed mostly because of bad weather and exhausted units along with fresh welltrained reinforcements for soviets. That Soviets were able to pull of Operation Uranus was pretty amazing since germany had bombed the crap out of leningrad and stalingrad which was industrial cities with huge tank factories... i think german highcommand didnt know about that soviet had moved many factories further inland. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ISU-1523 May 2014, 16:59 PM Jump back to quoted post3 May 2014, 16:12 PMDeath's Head The Soviet high command certainly "learned how to win" by 1944 but they continued to do so while suffering much higher casualties and equipment losses than the Germans. This is particularly appalling and unacceptable considering that by 1944 the Soviet Union had virtually every military/economic advantage over their foes. They had complete operational initiative after Kursk, they outnumbered German forces by a healthy 4:1 figure, they were in a massive surplus of equipment including artillery, aircraft as well close to zero concern for basic supplies like fuel, ammunition, food etc that the Germans by this point were rationing frugally...yet the Germans were able to continue a symmetrical war (albeit a defensive war) against them until mid 1945. This is a remarkable feat for a nation that by that point had no real allies, militarily or economically and was surrounded on all sides by larger, better supplied and equipped forces. +1 Like a thousand times. The fighting spirit of the German army was incredible along with its technological advancement in almost every area compared to the rest of the world. The most amazing part this was this was a country that was totally broken and poor just little over a decade earlier. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ISU-1523 May 2014, 16:52 PM Jump back to quoted post3 May 2014, 16:39 PMBurts Except that in 1944, german production of everything was higher than ever before, and the soviets certainly knew how to win in 1941. Do you know operation typhoon which ended in a german failure? Or maybe operation uranus? The war was allready lost after 1941, Moscow. Stalingrad was the final nail to the coffin. I wouldnt say the war was lost in 1941... after stalingrad it was, thats why Hitler refused to pull out even if it meant possibly losing the entire 6th army, He knew there was noway for a German victory with a retreat from Stalingrad. The US was about to enter the war on a big scale and germany atleast needed a huge advantage on the eastern front to be able to face a new enemy. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: soviet mines - squad wipes3 May 2014, 00:47 AM If you let one minesweeper pick up every mine you plant then i can only say, Learn to Play. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Shermans are broke?29 Apr 2014, 19:40 PM they are broken. In: Lobby
Thread: soviet mines - squad wipes29 Apr 2014, 13:39 PM Jump back to quoted post29 Apr 2014, 11:38 AMKreatiir You are not only talking about the mines, but also mortar and stuff. well yeah i meant how mortars was at release, any model inside the explosion effect was gibbed. You could insta kill a gren squad with 1 mortar shell.. you didnt even need the 120mm In: COH2 Balance