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Thread: USF is not fun6 Aug 2014, 04:29 AM Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2014, 04:25 AMUGBEAR USF will be kinda fun when they have a tank which won't get facerolled in a mid-late game......M26 anyone? And I think relic should probably bring the non-doctrinal 1/4 tone Jeep back to hunt those snipers Easy 8 is the best tank in the game??? What more do you want? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF is not fun6 Aug 2014, 03:43 AM Jump back to quoted post5 Aug 2014, 18:12 PMCruzz They are in fact the strongest early game rifle unit with the WORST scaling. The only weapon loadout that makes them remain relevant throughout the game is double LMG, which is limited to one single commander. Even then the shittiest at nade in the game after fusiliers, lack of sprint, and their very stupid formation that makes them prime targets for aoe squad wipes make them scale badly even with the LMGs, compared to other rifle infantry that start off weaker initially Gren blobbing actually scales better than riflemen, eventually you'll have enough grenadiers that riflemen can no longer do anything. No need for the MG42s though to be honest they're so powerful against USA you might as well get one or two eventually. Not that I think the USA MG has to come faster, lieutenant hardly takes long as it is. I'll just crawl forward with my pak wall and watch as your tincans blow up one by one without having done anything. The worst artillery in the game for a faction with such a micro heavy endgame is a bad combination. For that matter you will NOT have walls of shermans for your jacksons, in most 1vs1 games you'll have two vehicles from T4 at most before it's over due to fuel constraints. If you ask me, most of the fundamental problems of USA apart from the artillery situation stem from their utterly awful non-fuel based AT. They make guards and zis guns and conscript at nades look positively divine. I actually can't believe what I just read there... You must be the first and only person I have ever come across to say that blobbing grenadiers is an effective tactic vs the USF? I mean wow. Double bars will out DPS grens at any distance not to mention the fact they fire on the move. I also have no idea what your talking about with the 5 man squad formation. I think we must be playing a different game as a unit with smoke, AT nade, customizable weapon, and easy vet combined with the majors fall back is ridiculously good vs fucking Grens. The issue of USF indirect fire is indeed a problem and not one the OP even addressed. The pak howie is near useless and the mortar halftrak hardly justifies it's cost. However I usually deal with paks the same way I deal with anything as the USF: just smoke and mow it down with your insanely awesome infantry. The Ostheer faction naturally suffers from late game AI unless your already facing tigers in which case the game is likely already over. But yes the 57mm is terrible and needs a look along with some serious buffs to the pack howie. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Who else loves the ISU these days? :D5 Aug 2014, 21:59 PM Of course you love it, it's the most op bullshit in the game right now. It has no counters aside from outright suicide rushing with tanks and can singlehandedl win games as has been stated already. There should in no way shape or form be an anti everything unit with heavy armor and 75 fucking range. I even faced off with a jagdtiger and won due to the shells shocking the Tiger till it died. Plus the aoe killed the pios repairing. It's nonsense. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: OKW sniper counter5 Aug 2014, 18:07 PM I support giving the kubel a role similar to the scout bike from COH1. Not that it fucking matters though.An M3 will kill a Kubel in 2 bursts so regardless of how good it is at chasing snipers its a moot point. The problem is that IFG, while good at mysteriosly wiping squads, can almost never hit a sniper. Volks can get pretty expensive if you are just taking hits repeatedly to shield your Sturms. So yea there is pretty much 0 counters for this cheese early game. In 2 V 2 its actually ridiculously good against either Ost or OKW to have an ally go 2-3 snipers and 2 M3's while the US rushes for zooks and half tracks. In: Lobby
Thread: USF is not fun5 Aug 2014, 18:00 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Aug 2014, 17:51 PMQueenRatchet123 i mainly play USF and have notice that if u dont win in less than 20min u are likely to lose. The main problem for me is the USF lack a solid late game and the axis players know it. countless times me or my team could have a good hold on the map and axis player just save up fuel to bring heavies out then its GG. jackson shell and anti tanks guns bounce too many times. then they axis team either steamroll me in a 1v1 or steam role my team in other modes. I would like to see a solid late game unit foe the USF, But early game is also tuff to win USF has a pretty strong early game. But holding ur early game advantage is very fragile. things like snipers and overlocking fire maching guns can really mess up ur early game. i really believe that USF would benefit from a t1 machingun team or mortar halftrack in T2. And my last problem is the commanders, they seem very usless and situational.I find myself using the rifle commander all the time cus it is the best in most situations. This can become boring very fast. This leads into my last point. USF is boring to play! You have very limited options in units. just spam rifles and more rifles. i would REALLY like to see a unit in t2 similar to the lieutenant that can be produced more than once. and in T3 a captian-like squad that can also be deployed more than once. This would be HUGE. using different infantry that are not rifles will make USF more dynamic and fun IMO. 1) USF is designed to work around rifles, its literally how Relic intended the faction to play. They are the strongest, best scaling, and most versatile unit in the game. 2) An early MG for the US would be horrifically broken given how you would then have the ability to smoke/nade/bar your way up the map supported by mgs. WTF are grens supposed to do, they already get beat at all ranges. The MG42 acts as a support unit, without that edge Ostheer has literally nothing to counter USF. 3)Late game is designed around Axis supremacy. You already have the best infantry in the game now you want a super heavy tank as well? The Jackson has 60 range and can reliably pentrate any axis armor, put it behind some shermans (which once again are the most versatile tank in the game) and watch it shine. The issue with USF late game is it requires combined arms and a hell of a lot of micro for the Jacksons. But done right it's actually ridiculously good. 4) You make some good points about lackluster commander design. The armor commander and airforce commander are just plain weak. The recon commander is okay, and the rifle commander is OP as shit given every one of his abilities is amazing. Plus the Easy 8 is the most insane tank in the game right now for it's cost. I think some tweaks are in order but I also think some of these items are L2P issues. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The swapping T70 and SU76 suggestion thread5 Aug 2014, 14:21 PM I think the major problem is that the SU-76 is useless. Like really, not QQ exaggerating useless. I have never seen one built in competitive play since the host of nerfs it received a while ago. If it's going to come out in T4 it would be nice if it at least had a cost increase and functioned as a mobile Zis. But then again what is the point of having the SU-85? Giving it a price decrease and putting it in T3 would at least give you a reason to consider building it. Right now the arty feature on it is gimped and it can only survive 1 - 2 shots from armor which is can't penetrate anyways. It's slow, clunky, and just awful. I like the idea of having the T70 in T4 and hardly see how it would be game breaking when it gets obliterated by paks and jagpanthers in 1 -2 shots. An early T4 however would actually give you some options with an early shock T70 transitioned into an SU-85. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Reasons to build Soviet T4?3 Aug 2014, 17:44 PM Jump back to quoted post3 Aug 2014, 15:49 PMGreeb I agree, Soviet T4 is as useless as Ostheer T4. Relic should revise the usefulness and cost of this tier en both factions, as T3 dominates absolutely in competitive play. Some interesting ideas proposed were replacing T70 with S76, increasing SU85 frontal armor and fix pathing, or making T4 building cheaper if you have already T3... Hmmm well either way the SU-76 is currently completely useless but having the T70 is T4 is definitely intriguing. It would give you a better reason to go T4 for the shock aspect of the T70 plus the occasional utility of the SU-85. I think a pathing fix for the SU-85 and giving it a frontal armor boost would help its utility because right now it handles like a boat on land. The problem is that you are forced to make a choice with T3 or T4 and frankly T3 better complements holding out for the tank call ins right now. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Reasons to build Soviet T4?3 Aug 2014, 14:22 PM Jump back to quoted post3 Aug 2014, 14:16 PMAustralian Magic Sometimes I find SU85 very, very useful. Against OST I almost always go for SU85. Of course, SU left alone is shit unit BUT if you combine it with Guards, it can be really deadly for every ost tank (get vet 3 and it will melt everything). And put mines od the sides! But if you don't like doctrine with guards, stay away from T4. I respect what you're saying and yes combined with guards SU85s can be pretty useful however most if not all ost players go elite troops. This means smoke discharges breaking snare instantly and vet 3 grens shredding your guards. I actually prefer a fast T34 to try and push them especially if they have been using that damn insta vet ability. If you don't win early your fucked as the elite tiger is still almost instantly gg unless it's a 4 on 4. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Reasons to build Soviet T4?3 Aug 2014, 14:07 PM I am having a really hard time with the new state of balance for the Soviets. On the one hand we have very strong and reliable call ins, on the other hand the tier system is completely fucked. Against OKW I am literally going T1-->T2 then raping them with combined sniper maxim combos till tank call in arrives. Against Ostheer I am usually going T2-->T3 then playing a very balanced game in terms of AT guns and tank call ins to counter their heavies. So where does that leave T4? I mean lets look at what you get for all the fuel and teching: SU76: I mean wow Relic. This unit has literally no purpose being in the highest Tier of the game let alone the game itself. In the past when it was dirt cheap and had a fairly useful arty ability it was at least tolerable. Now? I mean my god this thing has no HP, penetration, is turretless/slow, and the arty ability is completely laughable. SU-85: Frontal armor nerf, mobility nerf, and now the pathing for this unit is seemingly complete borked, I can't see why anyone would want to spend the fuel. Compared to the Jadgpanther this thing just sucks. The problem is that you need to baby sit it all day long in order to ever see some use out of it, it's long range accuracy is what like 0.25? Trying to move this unit with the rest of your army usually results in it getting stuck somewhere or driving backwards into combat. I have a fairly good micro, but when 85% of that micro is going to try and get this unit to even face the goddamn enemies it's simply not worth it. The lowliest tank in the game can circle strafe this lumbering lumox so I usually avoid it. Katyusha: Ahhh the Kat. King for a week then nerfed to a position where now it suffers from no armor, penetration, damage,110s cooldown, and only moderate effectiveness at medium range. I find this unit can still punish blobs pretty well provided you have at least 2. However, the lengthy cool down combined with massive scatter means if the opening salvo misses then whoops your done for another 2 minutes. Unlike the wakling stuka which has a predetermined firing path, routinely wipes squads, and doesn't suffer from having to drive up to the enemies front door to be useful. So really unless Relic releases another brilliant patch like the last one sarcasm I don't see the Soviet meta really changing. It drives me nuts that the tiering system is so horrible and broken, but I really don't see Relic doing much to address this anytime soon. But of course maxim spam is still ridiculously strong... so I guess there's that. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Patch: July 31st1 Aug 2014, 06:24 AM Jump back to quoted post1 Aug 2014, 06:17 AMVetLolcake Kat barrage just squad wiped 3 of my squads in one nbarrage before i could even retreat after first Salvo. GG relic WP That sounds super believable. I mean one rocket per squad why waste the ammo? I have played 6 games so far and quite honestly the majority of the game are ending with them having less than ten kills. Basically the same performance as pre patch. In: COH2 Balance