Profile of donofsandiego

and now in your argument give the allies an equal gamestate.

you're not being charitable in your argument and you know it.

I don't like them, they need to be changed, but I've presented a tactical counter that works. You're choosing to ignore that.

*works against flak 38s.

Decrewing isn't worth a damn against emplacements in CoH 3, there are just too many ways to quickly recrew them and get right back to it. The emplacement has to be decrewed AND destroyed within that small timeframe. Which can only be done against the Flak 38 (Oh, and by the way, if your enemy has troops nearby, they can recrew the emplacement before the second plane strafes the emplacement and save it from being destroyed LMAO). The Flak 36 will be decrewed then damaged until maybe a third of its health is remaining with a double sortie. Not ideal.

And for that matter it only works on the center of the map if there's nothing else in the backline on plane-shooting duty like wirbels or flakvierlings, or the enemy doesn't simply switch to AA mode. (Which they most likely will after having this happen to them a single time.)

The only saving grace is that flaks on the sides of the map will get destroyed no matter what, so long as the planes come in from outside the map, as the AA can't shoot at them. So that's nice at least.

The only issues are that you not only have to play as US, but also have to give up on Sherman 76es to do this, so it's a very tough sell.

math do not add up 2X160=320

Oops, bad math.

Pretty sure mechanized support center will also be balanced, can't have that shermans outperforming EZ8

Yes, if by balanced you mean the EZ8 and Sherman 76 finally get upgraded armor from the mechanized support center.

In regards to panther/tiger..... you've heard of hellcat?

Hellcat is a bit of a tough sell. I don't think that I've been giving it enough credit, but also I do think that it's overshadowed by the sherman 76.

I must have had some personal bias going on on my first attempt using the hellcat, it seemingly did 80 damage or something. On actual testing with me looking at the actual health removed, I saw it was a much more reasonable amount.

So, the Hellcat does 160 damage on pen, and it seems to have pen good enough to consistently penetrate the tiger frontally.

I also was sleeping on the "First Strike" ability, which actually DOUBLES* ups the Hellcat's damage to 240, a very reasonable 50% increase to damage.. Were you to be able to have two Hellcats get a First Strike off on a Tiger, they would only need to pen it another 5 times to kill it. 6 shots if you retreated the Hellcats and drove in with Sherman 76es.

The only issue is that they've got trash frontal armor and they have 120hp less. If the tiger shoots an m16 twice, it's only got 120hp left. That's the amount of damage a single panzer 4 will do if it pens you, which it will because the Hellcat's armor is trash. So, it's a very tough unit to use compared to the pretty straightforward Tiger, especially because the Hellcat and Tiger share the same max range.

Hellcat better than I thought, but still it'll struggle against a frontal slugfest with a Tiger. If the Hellcat can't get off a First Strike, then it's going to take 8 shots to kill the Tiger.

*Wrong math. Thanks Vipper.

What about Brits? Their AA is seriously lacking.

I did mention this in post #107. I was a bit naive about Brits AA and had just assumed that theirs was as effective as the US' AA was.

I just did some testing, and here's what I found:

If you saw my video with the M16 AA halftrack, I put pretty much everything in the same spot, but switched out the US vehicles for a Churchill, Churchill Black Prince, 15Cwt, and a Crusader II, all equidistant from each other, and then I switched out the M16 AA halftrack for two 15Cwt (yes, two, not one. ) AA halftracks. I also tried with one 15Cwt and a Crusader AA tank. It produced pretty similar results.

It ended up being that the Axis planes were shot down *after* the first strafe. ((It also seemed that the planes didn't choose the same target, and instead opted to spread the damage across multiple targets. The "counterplay" is similar to soviet AT overwatch, except if it was insane.))

Better than the planes being able to loiter the sky for 60 seconds (if there was no AA), but certainly not ideal for the kind of damage that the strafe can do so soon after the flares drop.

I would like to point out the fact that the callin is 225 muni and that the brits have access to high HP tanks that can actually take a pass from a stuka strafe and survive, so I think it makes logical sense that the brits have AA that isn't as effective as the US's is.

However, the ability in its current state is really too much.

If it is to stay this deadly, then it had ought to come out much slower and be more of an area denial tool, maybe with more planes that do less damage individually but are harder to shoot down because there are more of them. (And obviously the fact that TWO AA halftracks are needed to actually shoot down the planes within a reasonable timeframe.)

If its to continue to come out that fast after flares, then I think it needs to be less deadly.

The neat thing about German emplacement spam is that they will also kill any plane (or air drop) basically instantly, negating most of the counterplay as well!

Yep.

P.S. - if you were wondering, a single 15Cwt AA halftrack shoots down one plane after a single strafe, but seemingly struggles to shoot down the second before it's able to make a second strafe.