By itself? No it isn't very good.
Instead of blobbing LMG greens across red cover towards paras, find an area of the map you want to hold, get a bunch of greens and MGs, (later paks) Have then support and spot for each other. Unless they use smoke, the MG42 is very much a counter to blobs if you spot for it. I played plenty of Ostheer during the ol 1 CP shock spam, and horrid con spam.i learned to support and love the mg42 for what it is. You simply can't chsrge an MG42 that's in proper cover when it's supportby LMG Grens, panzer grens, mines, etcIf thats happening to you I'd LOVE TO SEE VIDEO PROOF.
When people get their mg42s owned is leaving them by themselves to cover a part of the map KNOWING FULL WELL usf has light vehicles and smoke. SUPPORT. YOUR. UNITS. If you have a problem with this change factions.
And what's funny is that you complain about how useless mg42 is.. Lol try having your 50 cal one shottedby rifle grenades from a GREN BLOB from the front.
Yes,only you knwo how to use ost infantry against usf.Rest of us are all noobs running through red cover.
Now why wasn't that reflected in the win rates?Forget winrate..why did people not even bother to pick ost when they knew usf would be chosen in turn.I'm sure mg42 being as formidable as it is should surely have inspired enough confidence in pros,who atleast don't charge through red cover?
Do you know how many threads on popcornsprayer42 or balance suggestions regarding changes to it have popped up in 2 forums in the last 2 months?Go ahead ,check.I ahve probably opened only a couple..rest aren't me.I guess they are all noobs.The mighty popcornsprayer-bane of us infantry blobs.
I bow before ur superior wisdom cookie sensei. |
^That. People really need to learn to play with PGrens. Besides, they're a lot cheaper than Shocks (both initial unit cost as reinforcing cost, cause a Shock squad has more models), so don't expect them to perform the same.
Fine,i'm noob.I needto learn.What about pros.they need learning?
They are not cheaper 'a lot' -only 50 less.Brutal 42 mp reinforce.4 man squad that loses its dps 25% per model lost.Gets wiped often.no smoke.
And a pathetic .87 recieved accuracy that was actually renerfed for some reason a few patches back.whats that 1 in 10 shots dodged?Take ur recieved accuracy and stuff it up ur backside.Compared to 1.5 armor.
End the farce once and for all,remove recieved accuracy and remove the units as an AI infantry altogether,whats the point ,nobody bothers with it.Make it dedicated tankbuster.
Enough with the condescending pity towards this shit,lets just make reality what is reality.Wehr to have one infantry only -grenadiers.No need for fake infantry to give appearances. |
Reinforcing 3 grens cost 90mp.
Reinforcing 4 rifles cost 112 if I remember good.
Reinforcing 3 pgrens cost 120.
Cheapest squad reinforces for cheapest amount.
Medium costing squad reinforces for medium amount.
Most expensive squad reinforces for most.
Basic ground school math applies and checks.
No, they become cost effective at medium range, which is their most effective range by design.
As long as you will believe them to be axis shocks, you will keep failing, because they are not.
Since all models are 80 hp wehr lose models far faster in blob fights(which are mainly the only type of inf fight going on right now) and also wipe faster.
Cost effective my ass,titoff.42 reinforce.Why don't you use them in a few games and teach us?Ur apparently a good ost player.
I don't believe them to be shocks,i believe them to be shit.And before u try ur lame excuses-range,cover,balah blah.Show me tourney matches or pro replays employing panzergrenadiers in a major way.Fine.i'm noob.Are they noob too?Why aren't they using it?Ofcourse they know its shit for its cost.Did anyone even build a single pzgren squad for anything than AT in the last tourney?
The failing is in ur self-denial,pathetic arrogance and fleeing when confronted with hard reality and not ur stats which u love so much.What good are ur stats when noone bothers using the unit?Like i said acc to you i'm noob?Are all the top players noobs?Prove me wrong.
Play ost ,pwn them pzgrens at 'mid range'.Teach us mighty titoff.Coz apparently even the top dogs want nothing to do with 'midrange master' papergrens. |
Axis players cry when they cant use their overpowering units effectively.
I guess an ifrantry unit that can snipe support weapons from the front is "ok"
and baseline infantry with shreks that can counter their own counter
But when my jackson cant penetrate a vet panther after 4 shots...
Axis players say learn to flank..
So im going to give u the same "advice"
Learn how to position ur overperforming units
Ad did i ever say learn to flank to u,or ever oppose jackson /at gun penetration buff?
I only want my faction to be an enjoyable exp.Its not.
I would take ur 'advice' ,but ost doesn't have any overperforming units save stuge which i don't have.So better keep ur advice for ur usf and okw buddies. |
The more you go on OP The more it comes off as a LTP issue. USE. THE. MG. 42. Don't just blob grens at a bunch of expensive PURE AI SQUADS. If you use HMG42 properly there's no way a blob of anything will ever work properly against it, unless they have smoke, which I doubt they will have in abundance IF THEYRE SPAMMING PARAS AND LMGS. And if for some reason they do, then they won't have many light vehicles. And if they do? Buy a Stug E
The more you try to make it look as if hmg42 in its current state is a blob-stopper the more i laugh at you,and more my suspicion grows abt ur ost playing credentials.Blob of anything works very well against a mg42 -u would know that if u actually used it more.
And i don't have mech assault.I would say its a LTP issue as well from ur end,learn to play ost. |
Ok i see ur point...
bare in mind paras are a 6 man unit Keep the cost the same
As for pgrens mabey decrease the reinforce to 40 or 38
Everyone know that Ost has glaring issues against USF. I personally think its in the tech cost.
If u increase para reinforce cost. then they wont be used.
In all honesty the only elite inf i ever have trouble with is obers.
Shocks get rekt when focused
Paras need to be heavily supported to be effective
Pgrens can be good if supported
But obers.. LOL these bastards can go to a part of the map by themselves and fight off literally all allied infantry.
You think anyone will use pzgrens at 40 or 38 reinforce,when it just costs 50 mp less than shocks?and has 2 less members and no iron 1.5 armor?thing loses 25% of its DPS with one model.It has negligible recieved accuracy(the 1 in 10 shots is actually a farce mostly)
It doesn't have smoke like shocks.
You say shocks get wrecked when focused,do you know what happens when papergrens get focused ?
Agreed they CAN be good if supported.And here is the main problem,when i'm delaing with multiple infantry units MP crunch is a real issue.A 28 reinforce uunit is far more sustainable than a 42 reinforce one.
Obers are beast,don't dispute that at all.But allies cry a bit more because its the only axis infantry they can't steamroll which they are used to doing. |
So u are being beaten by 3 rifles until he gets paras?
Dont change up the story now.
He either lost 2 rifles. and with his magical map float got 2 fucking paras which is 760mp
Or he was beating you with 3 rifles and held out for paras
In both cases. You got outplayed in some way
Paras are cheap in terms of CP.Getting rifles,lieutenant,then aa truck.And getting AT gun from airborne,its common.And i'm not talking abt any particular game at all,lategame para -rifle blobs are common sight.No matter how much you live in denial ost has no counter as infantry-none.
And ost has no artillery as it is which is just fucking perfect.And a dysfunctional shitty machine gun.christmas for usf blobs.Seems like my tiger has to kill everything.And this is not only 1 vs 1 scenario,also teamgame.Games are longer,resources are easier.
In 1 vs 1 i got far bigger problems than paras,just sheer survival.90% are autowin for usf anyway,para or no para.Not that lmg paras won't be a uncounterable beast lategame 1 vs 1 either. |
I learned the hard way that if i didnt blob lmg paras i would lose hard to blobbed lmg grens.
Cool paradoxal game we have here.
Yep blobfest,and para 1919 rules supreme once blobbed.
I give a good chuckle when i hear people educating on the forum,L2 flank with pzgrens. |
Oh i see.
With his magical MP float. he could just get 2 more paras
This isnt okw, Rifles cost 280 mp and 28mp reinforce
Getting 2 paras to go with ur 3 rifles plus an officer isn't unfeasable AT ALL.Then if u lose rifle squad replace para.Since paras are very cheap to reinforce and don't wipe MP pressure is not as much as u claim at all.Gretaest mp pressure is the squadwipes it lays down on ost inf.USF rifle-para blob will smash lmg gren blob - no 2 ways about it.You simply don't have any other options....gren..live or die. |
Where is the usf player getting this mp to "blob" paras?
You got outplayed by someone. and now ur here to rage about it.
90% of the time gg by 15 minutes? Speak for urself
Replace any lost rifles with paras.At 28 reinforce they will pay themselves very well.
If i wanted to rage i could open a dozen threads on each and every shitty unit ostheer has.
I don't have to speak for me.The tournament results and ostheer's win percentage speaks for itself.Also the fact that most of the players were so afraid of facing usf if they picked ost,they didn't bother.Thats what it has come down to. |
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