Profile of Highfiveeeee

For CoH2, I would recommend at least 2 GTX 980s. Don't worry, they only cost about $500 a piece. Anything less and expect about 20fps.

Won't change anything, as CoH2 does NOT support SLI.

90% of what OP has said in this thread can be applied to PWerfer or Walking Stuka to a lesser extent.

That may be true, but especially for the Panzerwerfer it is a different thing in my opinion (only in the case that you can call in the Calliope without any tech requirements - I really don't know if that's the case - ).

I think so because the Panzerwerfer is indeed really strong, especially in team games, but in 1v1 you won't see it unless your enemy has so much fuel that you would have lost the game either way. Ost T4 is mostly bullshit because it's just not worthwile. You spend so much fuel and MP for teching and building a Panther will still cost you 175 Fuel for every single tank, that's simply a lot.

The whole USF commander is the problem. The Calliope wouldn't be that OP if the rest of the commander sucked. But everything in this commander is pretty good. The LMG is amazing and makes the rifles the best inf on the field. How do you counter massive inf blobs? With MGs - well, at least it is supposed to work that way. So the Ost player is forced to have at least two MGs to counter the blob of doom.

But wait, you have to prepare for the rushed Stuart (or a Quad, which is also devastating)! So T2 and a Pak is needed, which is also a lot of MP, so you lack field presence. The USF player though, has about 4 Rifle squads (some with LMGs) and a captain/lieutenant until the Stuart arrives. The Ost player probably has not more than 3 grens (probably 2), 2 MGs and a Pioneer. The USF player at that time holds about 70% of the map. Then the stuart arrives and the Ost player can't do anything but to get a PaK as soon as possible because of the lack of light tanks. Meanwhile the rifle start planting mines like fucking flower pots everywhere. The USF LMG simply shreds through your troops and smoke negates the effect of your MGs/PaKs... I don't want to continue, I just want to explain the fact, why Ost suffers so much against the ultra mobile US army. Ost has NO OTHER option than PaKs to counter fast vehicles and NO OTHER options than MGs (maybe mortars but they suck a bit atm) to counter the rifle blobs.

And that is why the Calliope is so devastating. It kills the stuff Ost has to rely on with one single barrage with little to no counter play.

Meanwhile, I just go and hunt down every Calliope unchallenged with a Panther

That simply doesn't work. As Ostheer you are crushed if you don't get some Anti Inf tank as fast as possible. There are about 5-7 USF inf squads with M1919 and bazookas and smoke so your MGs are useless. Then you get a Panzer 4 and try to get that fucking Calliope, but then you remind yourself that it's not a Katjusha that dies after one shot, but a damn M4 Sherman (you probably hit a mine on your way anyway ), so you have to be satisfied with hunting the inf blobs (where the P4 is pretty good at). You even might be able to get that stupid little Stuart. You position your MGs very well and you can manage to get a second PaK, but then woooooosh - another Calliope barrage and all your weapon teams are either dead or with 2 men left.

TL;DR: Ost has no other way to survive than relying on defensive units such as PaKs and MGs, which are wiped by a single Calliope barrage. USF doesn't rely on defensive and immobile units, so the Panzerwerfer is maybe a bit too strong, but no gamebreaker like the Calliope.

I think Highfive is implying that Vickers does a lot of damage vs garrisoned units. This is my impression of Vickers as well.

However, none of the stats I have seen would explain if/why Vickers would do this job better than MG42.

Note that MG42 has better DPS than Vickers in longer rangers (where MGs are less likely to receive a grenade from in return)

Yes, that was what I was trying to say.
The stats may say so, but my experience is, that a garissoned MG42 vs a garissoned Vickers will lose 100% of the time and mostly with at least 3 men left on the Vickers.

I think so too, do you play OKW cause they are op or because they are fun?

I play OKW because I can't get used to Ost in the last weeks anymore...
As Ost you have a big problem when a fast T70 or Stuart arrives. If you don't have a pak till then it's critical. As OKW you are way more flexible.

How did u lose 3 squads?! That is L2P.

This happened because it was placed behind a shotblocker and we (1 squad from me, 2 from my mate) discovered it after we stood right in front of it. The first squad was dead before we could even retreat (< 1.5 seconds), the second died on retreat and the third was a bit L2P because my mate didn't stop it from entering a building.

To show where it was placed:



The Red Square is the Bofors, the green arrow is our path.

Use Mortar HT's Incendiary Mortar Barrage against it.

I played OKW and my mate simply doesn't have Spearhead as it is P2W. And the other Mortar Halftrack commander is simply garbage as everyone knows.

I have also destroyed it by using mortars and Leigs to force it to brace, and then moved units with Panzerschrecks close to the Bofors, and when the brace stops, then shoot one Schreck with each unit to destroy it (or if you know that you can't destroy it, shoot once with each Panzerschreck squad, and retreat, and finish it with mortars and Leigs or with the Stuka bomb).

That is viable in mid to lategame. In the early game you mostly have 1 shreck and no vehicles, let alone Stuka Bombs. And in addition, people tend to forget in such threads, that the Brits also have inf that is very strong in cover and in buildings. Building heavy maps against Brits are annoying because atm the Ost mortar sucks against buildings IMO and the LeIG comes too late. If the Brit player manages to get 2 MGs into the buildings near the Axis base, there is very few things that the Germans can do as it will suppress every infantry before any grenades can be thrown. Also mortar smoke is bugged.

Have you seen how much punishment a brace structure with self repair can take? Assuming the guy isn't an idiot and has the structure properly supported it can be near impossible..

That is mostly what I was trying to say. A left alone Bofors can be handled somehow in a decent amount of time, while a supported bofors is really a pain in the neck.

Hello.

Usually Bofors tend to disapear when medium tanks hit the field. Sure they are a tough nut to crack but they are not exactly as effective as you could think. Stug and Paks tend to clear them pretty quickly (with a spotter).

As Ost, this is of course a very viable idea. OKW, however, has a very low ranged AT gun and a low health StuG counterpart (Puma). The JP4 that used to be in the MedicHQ would have been a good counter, but all medium tanks were moved to the SchwererPanzerHQ :/