Profile of ilGetUSomDay

I don't know what it was coded in minds of USF. seeing KT doesn't mean the game over you could still have 4-5 Jacksons with powerfull Sherman timing that hits even before OKW could have Panter. And if OKW player wanted to go KT you had even more units to influence the game because he can't afford any vehicles, all fuel goes to teching. For me this comunity is really wierd example of honor code everybody swears to his faction. For example one guy chooses Allies so he goes around forums sharing his experiences how Axis is op and how their tanks have no counters. The other guy choses Axis and goes around talking about how USF and Soviets are choking him early to mid game while his forces struggle to even keep map control. Problem is that truth is somewhere in the middle Axis wasn't insanely IMBA lategame and Allies earlygame wasn't unbeatable either. But Relic sees to have caught only the bad vibrations and nerfed Axis lategame (OKW vs USF and USF vs Ost(Jacksons vs Tigers)) and buffed Allies lategame (on USF part anyway) and to be honest kinda screwed game in the long run.

ok first of 4-5 Jacksons

Second off in the previous patch with said 4-5 jacksons how did you manage the Obers and shreck blobs? I have never sworn by any particular faction, I love playing them all (too bad I'm a hipster and couldnt bring myself to play OKW much the past few months ) but in a 1v1 or 2v2 even match, It was really hard to deal with the behemoth that was. At least now Allies can consistently deal with the tank rather than praying to the RNG gods and hoping to penetrate. See we all want Consistent influence-able play (reason why nobody likes plane crashes), With the prior armor the glass cannons of Jacksons were very inconsistent and made it frustrating to play against. Further more nothing short of an IS2 did reliable damage to it meaning that even if you try to counter it appropriately it was still a huge uphill battle (there is a video of a KT driving into a mine in front of 4 Zis guns and killing them).

Blitz was a terribly unfair ability that did not deserve to be on a super heavy tank. Blitz single-handedly countered jacksons.

This patch in terms of the KT made it countering it more influence-able and got rid of the ridiculous Blitz mechanic which allowed Terrible play go unpunished.

The KT still is a monster of a tank, you just now have to play well with it now like all tanks

By all means this is a cool commander with nice perks. The tiger ace itself is powerful, unique, at 15CP, and cripples the Ostheer economy. It is not a balanced call in however.

As a tank it is fine, but the problem lies in the fact it cost 0 fuel. It unfairly allows fuel spending on tanks and veterancy to keep the pressure on at at no real cost. Most players dislike the call in meta, and this is the worst offender: atleast in the call in meta there is the sacrifice of armor to lay on pressure and keep map control. With the balanced ace Ostheer can freely use tanks to maintain map control and pressure which call in commanders normally sacrifice. This commander simply gets the best of both worlds with no real disadvantage.

In addition to the game flow problems, the Tiger ace is an unjustifiable nail in the coffin for players who are trying to get back into the game. It is also not fair of a way to get back in the game and potentially win while they were being outplayed all game.

The worst offender is the even game. Players of equal skill with manpower drains and map control duking it out with close populations and then Bam, a tiger ace comes out. Both players have been spending fuel to keep in the game and try to win, There is no real way to Stay on the field anymore without heavy stalling and blunders by the Ostheer player. Some how Allies are just expected to have extra AT and fuel to stop the behemoth which in a 1v1 is simply not fair.

Now dont get me wrong, you do have to float manpower to get it, but that is pretty easy when you have tanks now fighting taking damage off of the infantry which is repairable (Free).

The tiger ace should cost fuel in short, I would be happy with it only costing 135, at least there would be one less P4 on the field to deal with.

It would be just as outrageous to imagine an IS2 Ace which cost 0 fuel (Though its abilities would be capture point and sight increase compared to target weak point and blitz )

Artillery is the greatest counter to blobs, unfortunately Relic seems allergic to putting more of it in the game for ~reasons~.

Because Coh1 arty fests were not very much fun, and Relic does not want to reproduce those results (Relic has commented on this).

Now its pretty strange under these reasons they put in the walking stuka but hey, why not.

Artillery needs some love, but I never want to see the old panzerwerfer a month into this game that devastated everything, Think of the katushy percision shot but a larger aoe circle and that is what Soviets had to deal with (WFA didnt exist yet)

The problem with the KT is that relic nerfed it directly, then indirectly nerfed it again by buffing its counter. I don't know why relic did this, but either way, we now have a KT with 375 armor vs. the Jackson with > 200 pen. Please take my thoughts with a grain of salt, as I have only used the KT twice post patch and gone against it thrice.

I think that the KT should get an armor increase to 400.

Why is this? Because I believe that as a super heavy tank that comes out quite late into the game (I am talking 1s and 2s here), it should be worth the 260 fuel that was put into it. If this was pre-shreck+ober nerf, I would agree that the KT would be fine with 375 armor, but the fact of the matter is that it just isn't viable for an OKW player to blob shrecks into KT anymore because the shreck is now far less reliable an AT weapon at max range (as it should be) and that the OKW now have a secondary muni sink in the obers/panzerfus.

On top of this, the raketen, while a great unit now, still has ten less range than most AT weapons, which means that it cannot be used in a very offensive way, or as effectively as a screening weapon.

As a result, OKW players are more and more being forced into varying their builds and building JP4s and pumas to make up for this gap in midgame AT power.

All of these factors combine to make me believe that the KT needs a slight armor buff the reflect its place at the apex of the OKW build tree. 400 armor would be a good amount, as it would give it slightly higher staying power, but not at such a high level as it used to be.

As I stated earlier, this is all from a 1v1, 2v2 perspective.

OKW players getting Jagd P4s now? I feel like thats a pretty good unintended consequence

Well they only buffed one of the counters because the jackson was unreliable (and Blitz prevented it from even doing its job and kiting). They nerfed the armor because there happens to be another faction in this game, and anything not an IS2 struggled to penetrate its armor making it a pretty huge deal. There are plenty of people here who seem to think nerfing the armor was too much, Really its because they are not used to having to worry about their investment now beyond the IS2. at 375 much of the tank shells still bounce keeping it still a very strong tank.

Is it worth its price? I believe so. It has the most combat capability of anything in this game. It just now can be delt with at a reasonable amount of effort.

The nerf will not stop players from building Panthers in 1v1 into a KT later on, it probably will stop the OKW defensive commander players from going pak43 into King Tiger though.

Except the thing with the Stuka and USF mortar HT is that they are both able escape if you pay attention, which is how it should be. With the Werfer and Kat there much, MUCH more micro needed to keep them alive, especially with the Werfer that fires in sub-mortar range.

I'm fine with the mortar HT and stuka being durable, so long as everyone gets that durability. Unit preservation should be number 1 when it comes to balance.

As a vehicle, any of them can get away if you pay attention. My problem is that In the case you are Not paying attention to the Stuka or the USF in the early, mid game any form of soft counter has too hard of a time killing them.

The Ostheer mortar half track you throw a T70 at it and its most likely gone before your opponent can push of the light tank. The USF mortar halftrack and Stuka have such large health pools that they can generally safely buzz off to shielding infantry with no problem.

All of these vehicles get countered by main tanks and that is perfectly fine later on. As I said, the point of this thread is focused on the early and mid game. Manuvering and flanking the mortar halftrack and stuka are pretty unrewarding much like the first March deployment when Soviets had to close the distance for very little gain.