What are the problems of Soviets in 1v1?

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2019, 00:05 AMMr. Someguy

As for the problems of Soviet, I always feel thin on Manpower. Very strange for a group that infamously had a seemingly endless pool of manpower. As Germans, especially OKW, manpower seems plentiful. As Soviets though...

Jump back to quoted post5 Oct 2019, 18:42 PMMaret

This mortar not design to kill fullhealth squads, it design to bleed them and make them retreat. One shot and the whole squad turned to wounded, almost died mens. IF you want, you can make 2 120 mm mortars - after that you will see how tough it can be. I saw sometimes this strat, in small maps it could be effective.

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2019, 00:05 AMMr. Someguy

As for the problems of Soviet, I always feel thin on Manpower. Very strange for a country that infamously had a seemingly endless pool of manpower. As Germans, especially OKW, manpower feels plentiful unless I'm taking crazy losses. As Soviets though, taking crazy losses seems to be the norm, you almost cannot get a Conscript into position without them becoming a 5 man squad.

Jump back to quoted post5 Oct 2019, 17:47 PMVipper

That is misleading, all mortar have the same damage and 120mm has a larger AOE, the AOE is not "little bit larger". It x150%.

Use the 120 mm vs static targets like OKW trucks and you will see how good it is.

Jump back to quoted post5 Oct 2019, 18:42 PMMaret

This mortar not design to kill fullhealth squads, it design to bleed them and make them retreat. One shot and the whole squad turned to wounded, almost died mens. IF you want, you can make 2 120 mm mortars - after that you will see how tough it can be. I saw sometimes this strat, in small maps it could be effective.

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2019, 15:14 PMGrumpy

Getting two 120's seems like a good way to lose quickly. They're hardcountered by the LEIG which has the same range, seems to fire faster (disclaimer: I haven't checked actual game stats), COSTS LESS, lower pop cap, and actually hits what it targets.

I had a USF and Soviet try weapon team spam against me on Eindhoven last week and racked up 90 kills with two LEIGS.

In that same match, the Soviet had tried Maxim spam at first. The small arc and standard (slow) setup time of the Maxim make it easy to flank even when they have multiple MG's on a small map. Even when the player does get it down in time to shoot, you can often finish moving through the arc and not get suppressed. I haven't played 1v1's in the current match, but think that the Maxim underperforming is part of the problem.

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2019, 15:56 PMT.R. Stormjäger

You did not just say that a Leig hardcounters the HM38. You did not just say that.

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2019, 15:56 PMT.R. Stormjäger

You did not just say that a Leig hardcounters the HM38. You did not just say that.

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2019, 16:01 PMblvckdream

The Leig doesn't hard counter the Soviet 120mm but it's still better than the 120 because it's so much more reliable and more universally useable.

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2019, 16:03 PMGrumpy

Oops, yes, LEIG does not hardcounter HM38. It soft counters okay enough. Leigs relatively quickly decrew the standard mortar.

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2019, 14:55 PMGrumpy

No, its really not. Assuming that your 150% is true, it still doesn't mean more damage to the static truck, it just means that near misses are more likely to damage it. It won't offset the difference in firing rate. Add in the fact that the standard mortar has flare at Vet 0 and it's a much better mortar.

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2019, 14:55 PMGrumpy

The only advantage to the 120 is that it can barrage from 100(?) instead of 80. Sometimes this is helpful against trucks. Even then, it's easily countered by the much better and cheaper LEIG.

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2019, 16:04 PMT.R. Stormjäger

There’s a vast vast vast difference between saying “the leig can be effective in fighting the HM38” and “the leig hardcounters the HM38”




Sorry about that, my nerves have been on edge with all the garbage I’ve read recently.

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2019, 16:14 PMVipper

Instead of theory crafting test in game you will see that 120mm if far superior to MP-41 vs Static building and trucks.

Instead of assuming check the stat yourself...


Both fire and autofire have a range 100.
The Leig is a very poor counter to the 120mm especially if the mortar us placed behind shot blockers.

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2019, 16:28 PMGrumpy

I have probably 40 games as OKW this patch. I've seen 120's in two or three of them, and not lost anything to them. Most of the time I just hear the telltale sound of the woosh, followed by the thought that some idiot just bought a 120.

I decided to be that idiot four times this patch. In 3 of the 4 games, it did next to nothing and had a hard time vetting so that it could get flares. In the other game, the other team obligingly decided to garrison while under mortar fire so I got an okay amount of retreats/kills/etc. In none of the games was it good enough to take down a conservatively placed truck. Either of them are okay at taking down aggressive trucks, but it never justifies the extra cost, particularly when it comes at a time when manpower is at a premium.

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2019, 16:14 PMVipper

Instead of theory crafting test in game you will see that 120mm if far superior to MP-41 vs Static building and trucks.

Instead of assuming check the stat yourself...


Both fire and autofire have a range 100.
The Leig is a very poor counter to the 120mm especially if the mortar is placed behind a shot blocker.

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2019, 18:09 PMelchino7

Did the test. While you lose on RoF, the increased AoE means that the avg dmg done on misses equalises with the RoF of the normal mortar.
Then it's a matter of whether you can use the extended 20 range or not. Whether you want a reliable mortar or an unreliable hard hitter.

As like 2 years ago after nerfs, if you have T2, just get a normal mortar. If you don't, get the 120mm. If you are not playing 1v1 and have absolute domination over your opponent manpower wise, 2x 120mm might be worth.

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2019, 18:09 PMelchino7

Did the test. While you lose on RoF, the increased AoE means that the avg dmg done on misses equalises with the RoF of the normal mortar.
Then it's a matter of whether you can use the extended 20 range or not. Whether you want a reliable mortar or an unreliable hard hitter.

As like 2 years ago after nerfs, if you have T2, just get a normal mortar. If you don't, get the 120mm. If you are not playing 1v1 and have absolute domination over your opponent manpower wise, 2x 120mm might be worth.

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