Brummbar too potent against mediums
28 Sep 2019, 03:32 AM
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It is strange that a non-doc heavy tank which excels at killing infantry has better penertration stats than a t-34-76. Is it intended? I mean, doctrinal 105 Sherman has only 35 pen.
28 Sep 2019, 04:52 AM
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It is strange that a non-doc heavy tank which excels at killing infantry has better penertration stats than a t-34-76. Is it intended? I mean, doctrinal 105 Sherman has only 35 pen.
Eh they'll probably give it an armor and damage buff next patch or move to T2 so it's "more available" because Axis crap always has to be "more available".
28 Sep 2019, 05:06 AM
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Yes, it does have higher pen than a T34/76 (+20 at all ranges), but its' projectile is also incredibly slow moving; the chances of a direct hit vs. a moving vehicle is very low (unless using attack-ground, but then it's a skill-shot). I can't really think of a situation in which the higher pen would make it over-performing?
As for the 105-sherman having low pen; I'm really not sure why it's that low. Possibly because it has a turret and higher RoF?
As for the 105-sherman having low pen; I'm really not sure why it's that low. Possibly because it has a turret and higher RoF?
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28 Sep 2019, 08:13 AM
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It is strange that a non-doc heavy tank which excels at killing infantry has better penertration stats than a t-34-76. Is it intended? I mean, doctrinal 105 Sherman has only 35 pen.
Both The 105 and the brumbar has deflection damage so they always do damage.
On the other hand the Dozer upgrade Shermans have have switchable munition having both AT and great AI.
28 Sep 2019, 08:29 AM
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As for the 105-sherman having low pen; I'm really not sure why it's that low. Possibly because it has a turret and higher RoF?
Because of deflection damage as mentioned and the Brummbar is all about raw power given it lacks a turret with less utility abilities like the smoke. Its gun is supposed to be better than the 105mm in most aspects.
28 Sep 2019, 08:40 AM
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Because of deflection damage as mentioned and the Brummbar is all about raw power given it lacks a turret with less utility abilities like the smoke. Its gun is supposed to be better than the 105mm in most aspects.
Except freedom.
The Brunmbar has only 50% as much Freedom as a 105mm Sherman.
However this does put its Freedom at about the same as a T34/76 and about 75% higher than Ostruppen.
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28 Sep 2019, 09:21 AM
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I can't really think of a situation in which the higher pen would make it over-performing?
Like in close combat? Usually mediums will try to attack brummbar's rear so if they get close even the slow projectile will have good chance to hit. So if two tanks are both low on health a penertrate shot could change the result...idk.
28 Sep 2019, 09:51 AM
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Like in close combat? Usually mediums will try to attack brummbar's rear so if they get close even the slow projectile will have good chance to hit. So if two tanks are both low on health a penertrate shot could change the result...idk.
Getting hit from a assault gun without a turret on its rear. Hmmmm...
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28 Sep 2019, 12:29 PM
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Permanently BannedPurely a L2P issue. Just keep your medium tank in motion and Brum won't hit anything. Thread closed.
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28 Sep 2019, 16:01 PM
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It is strange that a non-doc heavy tank which excels at killing infantry has better penertration stats than a t-34-76. Is it intended? I mean, doctrinal 105 Sherman has only 35 pen.
its to potent period
28 Sep 2019, 16:02 PM
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It’s not period
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28 Sep 2019, 16:10 PM
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mini isu 152 non doctrinal. ultimate manpower killer. bangs atguns all inf. shoots over shit easily. squad wipes and makes units have to retreat within seconds of encounter and still penetrates most allies tank like butter. and trying to dodge those shots are laughable unless your reversing already far. its to potent
28 Sep 2019, 16:13 PM
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mini isu 152 non doctrinal. ultimate manpower killer. bangs atguns all inf. shoots over shit easily. squad wipes and makes units have to retreat within seconds of encounter and still penetrates most allies tank like butter. and trying to dodge those shots are laughable unless your reversing already far. its to potent
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28 Sep 2019, 16:28 PM
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u are trying to argue with someone that defended pre nerf brace , u rember permanent brace ? He defended that
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28 Sep 2019, 16:56 PM
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u are trying to argue with someone that defended pre nerf brace , u rember permanent brace ? He defended that
I don't. Pretty sure brace was never permanent. It's cooldown used to be way too fast but when was it permanent?
28 Sep 2019, 17:30 PM
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5 sec cd bwtween brace
I don't. Pretty sure brace was never permanent. It's cooldown used to be way too fast but when was it permanent?
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28 Sep 2019, 18:03 PM
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u are trying to argue with someone that defended pre nerf brace , u rember permanent brace ? He defended that
I also don't remember or just don't know the translation as I am in Russian, what Brace are we about?
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28 Sep 2019, 22:02 PM
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u are trying to argue with someone that defended pre nerf brace , u rember permanent brace ? He defended that
I also don't remember or just don't know the translation as I am in Russian, what Brace are we about?
Don't derail guys. This has nothing to do with the topic in the slightest. But he means the UKF emplacement abiliity (green shield icon, weapons disabled for damage reduction)
To the subject:
I don't get why the Brummbär should have decent penetration. It's worth its price in AI capability, so why should it also have the chance to deal decent damage against mediums while it already has (according to someone posting earlier) deflection damage? This does not make a lot of sense.
Against lights, sure, but a medium should not be threatened to be damaged by normal shots.
However, I'd argue for high penetration for the bunker busting barrage because the Brummbär here behaves more like the AVRE/Sturmtiger.
29 Sep 2019, 00:34 AM
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Getting hit from a assault gun without a turret on its rear. Hmmmm...
Your opponent will always rotate and reverse brummbar while being flanked, so yeah...
29 Sep 2019, 02:54 AM
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5 sec cd bwtween brace
You mean 15. The first change it got was moving it from 15 to 90
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