Fallschirmjäger is very OP!

Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2019, 14:26 PMthedarkarmadillo

Check dps at various ranges before you compare shock on FMR and falls with VA pls.

If you get rid of the sprint in combat (which you should) there will be little difference in the way shock preform with and without FMR as they don't do much beyond cqb anyways.
Falls are great at all ranges


Perhaps swapping VA to a durability buff instead of an accuracy one might help make attacking with falls better but not overbearing. Their design is supposed to be glass cannon so making them a bit tougher instead of cannonier might be the way forward

Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2019, 19:12 PMStug life

u know what u said makes no sense right ? i do agree in increasing the price but their performance is below double bren commando

and double bren commando have been int he game since 2 years, nobody used them, now we have a bit worse and a bit cheaper 4 men double bren commando they are now op ?

Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2019, 15:17 PMgriezell

well commandos are harder to get and if u fly them in its like 540 . if u got the officer with it they cost 350 and double brenn is like 90 ammo and have to pick them up in base. so

Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2019, 14:26 PMthedarkarmadillo

Check dps at various ranges before you compare shock on FMR and falls with VA pls.

If you get rid of the sprint in combat (which you should) there will be little difference in the way shock preform with and without FMR as they don't do much beyond cqb anyways.
Falls are great at all ranges


Perhaps swapping VA to a durability buff instead of an accuracy one might help make attacking with falls better but not overbearing. Their design is supposed to be glass cannon so making them a bit tougher instead of cannonier might be the way forward

Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2019, 15:48 PMaaa

I would take pgrens over shocks any map. Pgrens >> shocks.

They are sort of one time use - charge and retreat. They cant do normal fights cover vs cover which pgrens do well.

That is with being most expesnsive unit in game. Like 30% more expensive than pgrens.

Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2019, 15:23 PMStug life

that's why i said just put the cpst to 340 (like they did) and increase the price to 80 (2 bren are 90 mun), they lose to them at all ranges and are not 5 men

btw they cost 390 with glider, and that's a reinforce bunker (150 mp and 60 mun)

Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2019, 16:12 PMgriezell

and al the utillaty they got over commandos then? foust, bundle and smoke ?

Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2019, 14:54 PMVipper

Shock troops with For mother Russia have around 104 damage at 10 and 42 at 15.

Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2019, 15:11 PMBlueKnight

Durability buff VA sounds good. Did you think about the means of buff application? RA buff would help them avoid suppression so imho it's a no-go as it would continue to promote A-move MG assault blobs. Damage reduction would also work efficiently for blobs as they wouldn't be as punished by Katy barrages or nades. One last way that I can think of to improve the survivability is by armour application, but I don't know if that affects suppression or not and thus MG assaults. It would definitely make them more survivable in firefights, but not enough to promote blobbing as that would still be countered by indirect fire and barrages. Global accuracy buff abilities are problematic and I think that all should be altered.

I'm happy that balance team realised that the multitude of buffs that affected Falls was possibly too many and they are planning to revert some of them, especially as Sander said he would rather underadjust than overdo the game changes.

Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2019, 15:23 PMStug life

that's why i said just put the cpst to 340 (like they did) and increase the price to 80 (2 bren are 90 mun), they lose to them at all ranges and are not 5 men

btw they cost 390 with glider, and that's a reinforce bunker (150 mp and 60 mun)

Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2019, 16:12 PMgriezell

and al the utillaty they got over commandos then? foust, bundle and smoke ?

Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2019, 16:36 PMMazianni

I have a proposed rework for this unit in a new thread here: https://www.coh2.org/topic/97853/the-fallschirmjäger-fix

Turning them from a glass cannon with high DPS at all ranges into a more durable utility unit with an MP-40 upgrade for short-range ambush DPS.

Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2019, 17:22 PMJilet

I think removing the FG42 (IMO their signature) will be bad but giving it the Stormtrooper MP40 or PGren STG44 weapon profile with commando/stormtrooper camo with a "not a nukenade" grenade + demo charge would be both unique and non problematic IMO.

I mean make them the OKW version of UKF commandos with 4 man.

Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2019, 17:25 PMMazianni

I don't remove the FG-42. They spawn with 2 as usual. In fact, I even buff them a bit IMO. I just don't allow for four of them to be used, since that is where the balance issues start showing up.

They also become a 5-man squad.

Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2019, 17:01 PMStug life

both have smoke is different than the other , commando have gammon and demolition, + can equip piat for behind the line snipes

+ commando start with moving camo

Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2019, 17:59 PMgriezell

gammon . i wont say its like a demo form penals but man is that easy to doge. also give commandos piats and they become as usles as.... sure you can try and micro al the way behind te lines dor some godo damage but the investment .. no to heavy and the demo is like 90 ammo its realy doesnt get much play. it might work in some maps with good overwatch buildings but its no where near close to what falls can do.

Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2019, 18:02 PMStug life

lol gammon Bomb is a better bundle nade

And demo works really well to kill any stationary target

Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2019, 18:11 PMgriezell

if it would destroy any deploys okw building then yes! but it doesnt. takes lot of time. units wil die fast when they place it if shot at .. its a niche thing.