delete 76mm sherman and merge just one model(76mm -> ez8)
add HVAP to Ez8
done
in now, Ez8 is just expensive dump tank
USF Sherman 76 mm - Who needs it?
3 Sep 2019, 16:55 PM
#21
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3 Sep 2019, 17:07 PM
#22
Posts: 785
delete 76mm sherman and merge just one model(76mm -> ez8)
add HVAP to Ez8
done
in now, Ez8 is just expensive dump tank
Deleting units is a stupid and wasteful idea in a game with so few models to use.
The 76mm is mostly fine as is and the EZ8 is decent enough. (Why it got nerfed I have no idea)
3 Sep 2019, 17:15 PM
#23
Posts: 268
Deleting units is a stupid and wasteful idea in a game with so few models to use.
The 76mm is mostly fine as is and the EZ8 is decent enough. (Why it got nerfed I have no idea)
No one needs this tank, except the Soviet. It is not so good, it is not interested in anything to keep the slot in the mechanized doctrine.
Driver, let's get this show on the road.
3 Sep 2019, 17:16 PM
#24
Posts: 88
In my opinion this has indeed more to do with the fact that all the other USF vehicles are very very good for their price. The 76 mm is just okay for its price. Like the cromwell is.
3 Sep 2019, 17:34 PM
#25
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Deleting units is a stupid and wasteful idea in a game with so few models to use.
The 76mm is mostly fine as is and the EZ8 is decent enough. (Why it got nerfed I have no idea)
USF already have Ez8
Why does the USF need two 76mm Sherman versions?
The Soviets don't have Sherman, so it doesn't matter if there's a 76mm Sherman model, but it's not USF
And nobody use Ez8 because this tank doesnt do well AT or AI either
fucking slow and expensive.....the ez8 is penetrated by aix's all AT weapons with a high probability
Poor anti-infantry capacity slows the Ez8's vet stacking speed and high price makes hard to build more 2
Although the t34-85 has lower specs than the Ez8, it can make several units at a lower price and its great infantry capabilities
In addition, the lack of penetration can be overcome with Mark Target Skills and many quantities, making t34-85 a valuable unit
Ez8
Is the long distance penetration excellent? No
Can the insufficient far-distance penetration be supplemented by a large number? No
Does the rifle company have the skills to support Ez8? No
3 Sep 2019, 17:38 PM
#26
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USF already have Ez8
Why does the USF need two 76mm Sherman versions?
The Soviets don't have Sherman, so it doesn't matter if there's a 76mm Sherman model, but it's not USF
And nobody use Ez8 because this tank doesnt do well AT or AI either
fucking slow and expensive.....the ez8 is penetrated by aix's all AT weapons with a high probability
Poor anti-infantry capacity slows the Ez8's vet stacking speed and high price makes hard to build more 2
Ez8 is similar to OKW's Pz4J, good at both roles but master of none.
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3 Sep 2019, 17:42 PM
#27
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Ez8 is similar to OKW's Pz4J, good at both roles but master of none.
Pz4j is master of AI (scatter bonus in vet bonus) and have high armor
The ez8 has nothing compared to T 34-85.
3 Sep 2019, 17:48 PM
#28
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Pz4j is master of AI (scatter bonus in vet bonus) and have high armor
The ez8 has nothing compared to T 34-85.
I am sure Ez8 will win against Pz4J in one on one case.
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3 Sep 2019, 17:52 PM
#29
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Pz4j is master of AI (scatter bonus in vet bonus) and have high armor
The ez8 has nothing compared to T 34-85.
like armor, moving accuracy, moving scatter, pen
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3 Sep 2019, 18:12 PM
#30
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I am sure Ez8 will win against Pz4J in one on one case.
1vs1 is pointless
In terms of overall operation, Ez8 is not very cost effective
3 Sep 2019, 18:23 PM
#31
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like armor, moving accuracy, moving scatter, pen
armor : free-pass to axis AT weapon
speed : not fast, acceleration is not good,
moving accuracy : all USF mediums have high moving accuracy and that doesn't make the Ez8 special
moving scatter : Ez8 (5.4/10.8), 75mm sherman(5/10), Pz4j(5.54/11.08, having scatter vet bonus)
T34-85(5/10)
Ez8 having better moving scatter? No
penetration : only effective for pz4
no support skill for Ez8
hard to make more than 2
Even if there are two, they are unilaterally damaged by the panther
If you're picking up an ez8 to face pz4, you're good enough to use 75mm sherman.
3 Sep 2019, 18:25 PM
#32
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Pz4j is master of AI (scatter bonus in vet bonus) and have high armor
The ez8 has nothing compared to T 34-85.
ΟΚ΅PzIV Armor: 234/80 Health: 640
sherman_easy_8 Armor: 215/95 Health: 720
t_34_85 Armor: 160/80 Health: 800
3 Sep 2019, 18:32 PM
#33
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ΟΚ΅PzIV Armor: 234/80 Health: 640
sherman_easy_8 Armor: 215/95 Health: 720
t_34_85 Armor: 160/80 Health: 800
I already know
compare price and Whether have support skills or not
Read the post I wrote above
In terms of overall operation, the Ez8 is a faulty unit
3 Sep 2019, 19:05 PM
#34
Posts: 1220
All these premium mediums are only good against panzer4 and thats ok but for me problem is that E8 or 76 are bad against infantry meantime t34/85 melt infantry
3 Sep 2019, 19:06 PM
#35
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u know axis at gun have similar or worse pen (tds) than allies right ?
armor : free-pass to axis AT weapon
speed : not fast, acceleration is not good,
moving accuracy : all USF mediums have high moving accuracy and that doesn't make the Ez8 special
moving scatter : Ez8 (5.4/10.8), 75mm sherman(5/10), Pz4j(5.54/11.08, having scatter vet bonus)
T34-85(5/10)
Ez8 having better moving scatter? No
penetration : only effective for pz4
no support skill for Ez8
hard to make more than 2
Even if there are two, they are unilaterally damaged by the panther
If you're picking up an ez8 to face pz4, you're good enough to use 75mm sherman.
speed is similar to other medium
u said to t34 85, it does not have the same moving acc
Sherman easy 8 if i remember has a bonus scatter on the move, that was nerfed a bit too
katitof-2018
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3 Sep 2019, 19:15 PM
#36
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I already know
compare price and Whether have support skills or not
Read the post I wrote above
In terms of overall operation, the Ez8 is a faulty unit
Not really Easy8 will beat a OKW easily.
It has equally good armor, more HP, crew, smoke launcher and superior AT gun +3 mgs and the pintle is superior to that of the Panther. The unit is fine for its cost.
I would trade panzer H for a easy clone in heart beat.
3 Sep 2019, 19:19 PM
#37
Posts: 1958
No one needs this tank, except the Soviet. It is not so good, it is not interested in anything to keep the slot in the mechanized doctrine.
It was somewhat OP as a call-in. Now it just occupies this strange niche between a standard Sherman and a Jackson. It would be nice if they used this as the model for a Sherman Jumbo, especially if it was a 76mm Jumbo, which was somewhat rare but not any more rare than a lot of other units in COH2.
3 Sep 2019, 19:53 PM
#38
Posts: 2358
I didnt really dislike the call-in medium tank meta, it was the heavy tank call-in the most problematic.
S76 was clearly a call-in tank, hence why it was mediocre. As it is now its an AT/AI upside down compared to standard shermans, they have an edge on AI and S76 have a little edge on AT. If you can pair them and micro them well you get a nice firepower/utility/cost ratio.
S76 are not spearhead tanks though, those are the most valuable for allied overall, USF not having real heavy tanks always depend on logistics and good support to push back enemy lines. Riflemen also do the heaviest work there. If E8 got firepower adjusted and armor buffed it could become a worthy spearhead tank.
competitive wise S76 are to be paired with either jacksons or other tank. The bonus the S76 grant as a unit is adaptability and better reaction to enemy openings.
S76 was clearly a call-in tank, hence why it was mediocre. As it is now its an AT/AI upside down compared to standard shermans, they have an edge on AI and S76 have a little edge on AT. If you can pair them and micro them well you get a nice firepower/utility/cost ratio.
S76 are not spearhead tanks though, those are the most valuable for allied overall, USF not having real heavy tanks always depend on logistics and good support to push back enemy lines. Riflemen also do the heaviest work there. If E8 got firepower adjusted and armor buffed it could become a worthy spearhead tank.
competitive wise S76 are to be paired with either jacksons or other tank. The bonus the S76 grant as a unit is adaptability and better reaction to enemy openings.
3 Sep 2019, 19:57 PM
#39
Posts: 261
u know axis at gun have similar or worse pen (tds) than allies right ?
No, Pak40 has better penetration than M1 57mm and Zis.
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3 Sep 2019, 19:58 PM
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Ez8s main gun is just too inconsistent against inf. I also feel like its acceleration or speed could be improved as the panther already beats it up but can also easily chase it down.
76 im just not sure about in 2v2 and up its pretty worthless, the extra micro tax of switching rounds plus the low hp make it a bit lackluster. I do use it in 2v2 sometimes because it can work with cav rifles on some maps with there potent early/close quarters game giving you a early fuel advantage and having the satchel charges that make up for some of the lost AT. Usually tho i will still get the reg sherman first, then accompany it with the 76mm with hvap on, but getting a jackson behind the 75 is probably more effective. Maybe if they let the 76mm get dozer blades as well would make it more interesting.
76 im just not sure about in 2v2 and up its pretty worthless, the extra micro tax of switching rounds plus the low hp make it a bit lackluster. I do use it in 2v2 sometimes because it can work with cav rifles on some maps with there potent early/close quarters game giving you a early fuel advantage and having the satchel charges that make up for some of the lost AT. Usually tho i will still get the reg sherman first, then accompany it with the 76mm with hvap on, but getting a jackson behind the 75 is probably more effective. Maybe if they let the 76mm get dozer blades as well would make it more interesting.
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