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Wehrmacht September patch discussion

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Only for Wehrmacht

Ostheer

Pioneers
In order to give the Eastern factions repair times that are more in line with those of the Western front armies, the minesweeper upgrade on Pioneer squads will now give additional repair speed.
- Minesweeper upgrade now gives extra 0.3 repair speed

GrW 34 Mortar
The Counter Barrage ability on the GrW 34 mortar will receive a higher range to make the ability more effective, giving players more incentive to use it.
- Counter Barrage range from 80 to 100

Sd.Kfz. 222
The coaxial machine gun of the 222 will receive the same penetration values as the OKW Sd.Kfz. 221/223.
- Coaxial MG penetration from 1/1/1 to 1.3/1.2/1.1

Sd.Kfz. 251 Halftrack
We would like to make the unupgraded Sd.Kfz. 251 Halftrack more integrated into Ostheerâs core support weapons and combined arms gameplay. An increases in sight range will allow it to spot for team weapons, while in-hold healing will allow the smaller Ostheer squads greater field presence.
- Sight range from 35 to 42
- Flame Projectors upgrade reduces sight range back to 35
- Infantry squads that are garrisoned inside the halftrackâs hold will heal 0.25 health per second. Healing is disabled when the halftrack is in combat.
- Sight range multiplier from the Spotting Scope upgrade has been reduced to 1.667 when not upgraded with Flame Projectors.

Panzergrenadier and Stormtrooper G43s
The G43s for these squads have been changed, make them a more interesting and attractive choice over their standard weapons. The price has been changed accordingly.
- G43 Mid accuracy from 0.624 to 0.65.
- G43 far accuracy from 0.564 to 0.61.
- G43 Far cooldown from 1.5 to 1.
- G43 Far aim time from 3 to 2.75.
- Cost returned to 60.

Bunker MG 42 upgrade
The MG 42 upgradeâs sight range will be reduced to match its firing range, so the upgraded bunker can no longer self-spot enemies from very long range, as the upgraded bunker had extraordinarily long sight range that was not in line with its cost and function.
- Bunker MG sight bonus from 25 to 5. (total sight reduced from 55 to 40)

Tiger I
The Tiger I has been drop down to 9 CPs, but it will now require Battlephase 3 before it can be called in. Additionally the anti-infantry performance of its main gun has been standardized. Veterancy requirements have also lowered.
- CP requirement to 9. Now requires Battlephase 3 researched to be deployed.
- AOE distance from 1/1.75/2.625 to 0.25/1/3.5
- AOE damage from 1/0.15/0.05 to 1/0.25/0.1
- Scatter angle from 7.5 to 4.75.
- Veterancy requirements from 3440/6880/13760 to 3090/6180/12360

Spotting scopes
Spotting Scopes give combat vehicles a bit too much of an advantage because they activate almost instantly after the vehicle stops moving. The activation delay will be increased.
- 1.5 delay before effects activate.

Supply Drop - Osttruppen Doctrine
The weapon drop has been slightly reduced in cost, in order to better match costs with similar weapon drops like those in USF Airborne Company.
- Manpower cost from 450 to 400

Command Panzer IV
The Command Panzer IV will now require either tier 3 or tier 4 in order to be called in. Additionally there will be some changes to its performance.
- CP requirement to 7 CP. Now requires either Support Armor Korps or Heavy Panzer Korps built in order to be deployed.
- Fuel cost from 125 to 120
- Aura damage reduction modifier from 0.8 to 0.9, as was previously intended.

Target Weak Point Ability
In order to make the Target Weak Point abilities less confusing, as they have different effects on different units, the ability has been renamed on several units to help distinguish them. New icons will be placed later for clarity.
- StuG III ausf. E. and and StuG III ausf G âTarget Weak Pointâ renamed to âHEAT Shellââ
- Sd.Kfz. 234/2 Pumaâs âTarget Weak Pointâ replaced with OKW Puma âAimed Shotâ ability.

Posts: 4474

very happy for the counter barrage buff finally having a role

hope the spotting scope changes doesn't count rotation as movement or it's dead

cp4 without any AI buff will be pretty useless as it was barely used with 0.8 reduction, 0.9 will be the nail in the coffin

Posts: 1217

Rip German Mechanized doctrine.

Standard in my loadout at this time. Now propably going to be deleted.

Command Panzer IV gets yet another nerf... and spotting scopes lose their offensive purpose on StuGs and Panthers. Meh.

Posts: 498

1st of all, fix the stortrooper smoke/detection hotkey conflict on schreck upgrade, this is becoming a meme for me (since commander rewamp).

Also, mechanized assault 250 HT is missing handbrake and hold fire.

Now to the new stuff:

Regarding the G43s, how about granting 4 of them instead of just 3? (and reducing the buffs a bit as well) This would be most interesting on stormtroopers, cuz they are in the weird situation where they either have a kar98 rilfe or mp40 smg as 4th weapon.

As for mg bunker changes, how about making them having focused sight instead? This wouldn't change their combat effectiveness, but would be easier to flank them without warning.

Spotting scopes, hmm. From 0 to 1.5 feels a tiny bit much, would a gradual scope recovery be possible? (like 1/3 scope range at 0.5 sec, 2/3 at 1 sec and full scope range back at 1.5 secs)

I don't see the command panzer being used that often, I believe this change will only make them even rarer. Could at least they get the Coordinated Barrage ability from OKW panzer commander upgrade?

Posts: 556

Still no love for grens

(meme)

Posts: 711

Make grens medkits free when T3 deployed. You still need use hand for it, but at least it get some usage. Now it's just flare mine for cons - only icon on UI.

Posts: 711

Counterbarrage ability - IMO the stupidiest thing in-game. Autoability without player acting. Any auto-abilities (especially for arty pieces) don't should be in-game, players must use skills. Not press on one button.
Make that for counterbarrage ability, player got circle and need manually choose area that will be overwatched by mortar. With increased range boost it will be good. But now, it's just annoying auto-ability.

Posts: 4474

14 Aug 2019, 22:28 PMMaret

Counterbarrage ability - IMO the stupidiest thing in-game. Autoability without player acting. Any auto-abilities (especially for arty pieces) don't should be in-game, players must use skills. Not press on one button.
Make that for counterbarrage ability, player got circle and need manually choose area that will be overwatched by mortar. With increased range boost it will be good. But now, it's just annoying auto-ability.

counter barrage removes auto fire...........

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14 Aug 2019, 19:57 PMStug life

cp4 without any AI buff will be pretty useless as it was barely used with 0.8 reduction, 0.9 will be the nail in the coffin

It's used all the time in team games, and was used a bunch in the 2v2 tournament. The bold is just flat out wrong. And it still effects infantry idk where you read that

That being said, they should've removed it's effect on allies units and call it a day. It was only too strong in team games

Posts: 783

Most changes are great.

Pioneers
At least minesweeper now provides extra repair speed which is great.

GrW 34 Mortar
Good.

Sd.Kfz. 251 Halftrack

Interesting

Panzergrenadier and Stormtrooper G43s

I think what would be interesting is if it were accessible by default only to Pzgrens the G43.

Since they are an elite unit. They should access to it, first-hand. Should be default option for them.

The doctrine should only then allow provision to grenadiers also.

I think this change should be considered.

Bunker MG 42 upgrade

The sight range seems to have been drastically decreased. Might be too big a change. Maybe put it to 45 instead.

Spotting Scopes

Interesting and yet a just change.

Target Weak Point Ability

Defined properly, good.

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Posts: 4474

14 Aug 2019, 23:02 PMSkysTheLimit

It's used all the time in team games, and was used a bunch in the 2v2 tournament. The bold is just flat out wrong. And it still effects infantry idk where you read that

That being said, they should've removed it's effect on allies units and call it a day. It was only too strong in team games

1 it was picked for the elephant u can totally see it, by AI buff i mean anti infatry buff to the main gun, it's worse than normal p4

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14 Aug 2019, 23:29 PMStug life

1 it was picked for the elephant u can totally see it,

Then why was cp4 built in so many games? And why not go the other elefant Commander, which gives spotting scopes and stuka bomb?

It's a strong team game unit period. I would totally support a main gun buff. Or give it better mg performance. That helped the t34 tremendously

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Nice to see that Balance Team included my Target Weak Point suggestion, so now I contributed a tiny bit to the game #feelsgoodman

Apart from that, many good changes. Not so sure about some of the others like the 251 though, but time will tell and I appreciate the effort to make the unit more interesting

Posts: 731

Rework Relief Infantry Plz……
And already nerf CommandTank4 aura,how about increase fuel coat to about 140~150，and make CommandP4 be CommandP4J？

Posts: 498

Random idea: how about replacing G43 upgrade for Panzergrenadiers with 1-2 Infrared STG44s? This would be a clear upgrade over their default STGs. Ofc they would be slightly worse than the obersoldaten variant.

(I know the Vampir was a late war equipment, but on the other hand it was primarily used on the eastern front)

Posts: 556

15 Aug 2019, 06:41 AMUnit G17

Random idea: how about replacing G43 upgrade for Panzergrenadiers with 1-2 Infrared STG44s? This would be a clear upgrade over their default STGs. Ofc they would be slightly worse than the obersoldaten variant.

(I know the Vampir was a late war equipment, but on the other hand it was primarily used on the eastern front)

Actually they are my favorite unit with G43s nowadays. They do well at all ranges and because of their RA they almost don't get any damage at long range.

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I welcome most of the changes but im disappointed that Wehrmacht doesnt get commander specific changes like OKW, Soviets and USF.

Lets be honest:
Mobile defense was already awful after the changes to the Puma but now its
"nuked out of existence" with the changes to the Commando P4. It was not used before why should players choose it now?
Please be consequent now and change the commander accordingly - it really needs massive changes!

Posts: 789

15 Aug 2019, 06:41 AMUnit G17

Random idea: how about replacing G43 upgrade for Panzergrenadiers with 1-2 Infrared STG44s? This would be a clear upgrade over their default STGs. Ofc they would be slightly worse than the obersoldaten variant.

(I know the Vampir was a late war equipment, but on the other hand it was primarily used on the eastern front)

This makes sense to me and I really like it.

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15 Aug 2019, 08:51 AMKiwiBirb

Idea for relief infantry rework:

Instead of forcing you to get your units killed, make it so they can recuperate from any losses that occur.
Releases 2 4-man relief squads that can merge but cannot reinforce or capture points. Also have VERY crap DPS.

have the relief infantry squads retreat off the map at the abilitie’s end

This would add more skill to the ability, instead of throwing your units foreward to die you have to position the relief squads correctly& time your Assault well

While the rework for merge-units sounds interesting, I don't think that your idea will translate well into the game.
Apart from that: This thread is patchnote discussion, if you want to suggest and discuss a different change, please open a new thread or reuse a recent one. Otherwise it's getting confusing in here

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208
.676
+3
7.
[虎贲] Leng Mo
116
49
.703
+7
8.
✠Kaiser✠ PERVITIN
189
101
.652
+1
9.
【Clannad】
209
68
.755
+7
10.
André
288
121
.704
-1

                    

                        1.
Thales
754
286
.725
+2
2.
Peppa
215
90
.705
+18
3.
Tom
169
48
.779
-1
4.
Remder
603
178
.772
+3
5.
André
981
427
.697
+3
6.
Restzeit
1005
552
.645
+7
7.
Riiiiina
324
127
.718
+12
8.
★Osas
359
155
.698
-1
9.
Ovidiu
1426
713
.667
+1
10.
SoE-Sturmpanther
360
59
.859
+2

                    

                        1.
玛丽猫猫
568
415
.578
+2
2.
Tharrats
776
618
.557
+6
3.
Shrimp
232
122
.655
+2
4.
BATTLEDANNY1
398
285
.583
+1
5.
黎霏洺
311
206
.602
+2
6.
ukill
194
157
.553
+10
7.
一个坏人
133
47
.739
+3
8.
King of Lee
239
169
.586
+5
9.
Puppetmaster
250
135
.649
+1
10.
Pelta
197
159
.553
+1

                    

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