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USF

Jackson
We think the Jackson is slightly overperforming for its cost, but we also recognize that it is the backbone of the USFâs late game anti-tank arsenal. Fuel cost has been slightly increased to better match its performance.
- Fuel cost from 140 to 145

M8 Scott
The M8 Scott is having its rate of fire reduced due to the lack of input required. In return, the unit is having its barrage times reduced to reward those who use its abilities.
- Auto-fire reload from 2.75/2.9 to 3.5/3.65
- HE barrage recharge from 75 to 55
- Smoke barrage recharge from 60 to 45

Pak Howitzer
Similar to the M8 Scott, we felt that the Pak Howitzer performed too well when given minimal input. This has been toned down slightly by increasing its low scatter. To compensate, barrages will be more readily available.
- Auto-fire scatter from 6 to 8.5
- HE, HEAT, and WHite Phosphorous barrage recharge time from 60 to 50.

M21 Mortar Halftrack
The White Phosphorus shells dealt too much damage for how cheap the ability was. The shells have been adjusted to deal less damage over time.
- Damage over-time frequency from 0.2 to 0.6

M26 Pershing
With the requirement of tech, the Pershing has received a durability adjustment to improve its survivability. The unit now has more hitpoints, but has reduced frontal armor. The anti-infantry performance of its main gun has also been standardized with all other heavy tanks, although it will still deal the most damage.
- Now requires Major tech. CP requirement to 9 CPs.
- Armour from 300 to 270
- Health from 800 to 960
- AOE distance from 0.75/1.5/2.25 to 0/1.25/3.25
- AOE damage from 1/0.4/0.2 to 0.75/0.35/0.2
- Veterancy 3 reload from -50% to -30%

Time On Target
In order to make this ability destroy enemy howitzers or other stationary defenses reliably, changes have been made to the last three shells to ensure they land directly in the center of the ability.
- Final 3 shells no longer scatter.

Rifle Company
We felt that Rifle Company was an underused commander because it had some mediocre abilities that outweigh the good ones. Small changes to the doctrine have been made that will hopefully make it a much more attractive choice.
- âFire Up!â ability: exhaustion debuff removed
- Riflemen Flares have been merged with Flamethrower slot
- Riflemen Field Defenses added to the doctrine.

Riflemen Field Defenses
Riflemen will now be able to plant mines slightly faster.
- M6 Mine max number of engineers from 2 to 4

Paratroopers / Paratroopers Support Squad
Paratroopers are generally in a good spot right now, but they will receive some minor changes to further solidify their performance. Some of their received accuracy from veterancy will be moved to their basic target size, to give them an easier time getting started at the time they enter the battlefield.
- Paratrooper Timed Demolition Charges are now guaranteed to destroy abandoned team weapons
- Target size from 1.0 to 0.95
- Adjusted veterancy 3 received accuracy bonus accordingly, from -29% to -25.3%

15 Aug 2019, 17:06 PMSander93

SEPTEMBER 2019 PATCH PREVIEW - Version 1.1 Changes

USF
Changes to both of the following units were discussed before release. The team has decided to include for testing after initial feedback.

Riflemen
We think Riflemen are solid infantry that scale very well, but we would like to put more emphasis on the engagement range dynamics between them and long range Axis squads. Their near range (and thereby their near DPS) will be slightly increased, which will naturally slightly increase their DPS up to range 16
- Near range from 3 to 6

(Chart amended from https://coh2db.com/stats/ )

Rear Echelon Troops
To make Rear Echelon Troops carbines perform more consistently, as currently they are very RNG dependent with their low accuracy but high rate of fire and damage, their accuracy has been increased. In return their damage per bullet will be reduced, to keep the same total DPS as now
- Damage from 10 to 8
- Accuracy from 0.403/0.288/0.23 to 0.51/0.3456/0.276

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Jackson price increase still doesn't give it a weakness like other TD (flanking, speed,fixed turret, accuracy, etc)

i would rather remove pack howy auto fire but increase the barrage range to 160 and fire more shells x barrage so player input is rewarded, USF already has a mortar for auto fire role

rifle company changes will still not make it viable

ok with other changes

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Quite some nerfs to important late game units.

I don't really understand the +5 fuel for the Jackson, looks like more a political nerf to please some players than anything constructive. If the team has a constructive feedback about it.

M8 Scott barrage is bad, not sure if 20 second barrage cooldown reduction is interesting.

Pak Howi nerf is big, since the unit almost only depend on AA to vet, at least reduce the vet1 requirement. Adding a 4th shell to the initial barrage would help to understand better the AA nerf.

Pershing change is ok, a bit more consistency but still a nerf at the end.

Time on Target, better consistency is always welcome.

Rifle Company changes seems a joke to me at first view, I fail to see how adding riflemen field defense to the doctrine is going to make it more popular. But you can tell me.

Paratroopers is probably the best change here, and probably going to be nerfed before hitting final stage or the bulletin give -%3 receive accuracy is going to be nerf in return.

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I for one really like the Rifle Company and field defenses buffs. The Riflemen mines took wayyyyy too long to plant and so I'm glad that's been fixed, will make USF mines much more viable. Fire up actually being useable is fucking sweet too. Same with Time on Target. The Paratrooper change is nice as well, these guys bled far too much and might actually show up in competitive games now.

I think this fixes Rifle Company, more or less. It gets the best off-map barrage and the best USF medium tank, and now it also gives Riflemen mines and sandbags, which is crucial and fitting to the name. Certainly beats out infantry company in a 1v1 now, imo.

Other than that, RIP M8 Scott and M1 Pack Howie.

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14 Aug 2019, 20:05 PMEsxile

Quite some nerfs to important late game units.

I don't really understand the +5 fuel for the Jackson, looks like more a political nerf to please some players than anything constructive. If the team has a constructive feedback about it.

M8 Scott barrage is bad, not sure if 20 second barrage cooldown reduction is interesting.

Pak Howi nerf is big, since the unit almost only depend on AA to vet, at least reduce the vet1 requirement. Adding a 4th shell to the initial barrage would help to understand better the AA nerf.

Pershing change is ok, a bit more consistency but still a nerf at the end.

Time on Target, better consistency is always welcome.

Rifle Company changes seems a joke to me at first view, I fail to see how adding riflemen field defense to the doctrine is going to make it more popular. But you can tell me.

Paratroopers is probably the best change here, and probably going to be nerfed before hitting final stage or the bulletin give -%3 receive accuracy is going to be nerf in return.

We were also considering 150 fuel for the jackson nerf, but wanted to be conservative give the other changes to usf's late game and just how essential the jackson is to any usf composition.

Adding riflemen field defenses AND making fireup useable will absolutely make it more popular. I don't expect it to make rifle company viable (honestly, I myself was hoping to get in some more drastic changes to the doctrine), but it'll make it more cohesive as a doctrine and less of a pain to use for those players that simply want to use it. It would take a lot to make it competitive against heavy cavalry, armor, mechanized, airborne, recon, or infantry (perhaps even urban assault).

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Sandbags and sprint in one commander dont match, it should be something supporting aggressive playstyle to go with other abilities in this commander. Like good on the move upgrade for rifles that does not require weapon racks (scoped garands?).

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14 Aug 2019, 20:22 PMJae For Jett

We were also considering 150 fuel for the jackson nerf, but wanted to be conservative give the other changes to usf's late game and just how essential the jackson is to any usf composition.

Its not like ideas weren't given to lessen that burden from Jackson's shoulders and It's not like Jackson is the only reliable counter to OKW Pz4 at the moment

Adding riflemen field defenses AND making fireup useable will absolutely make it more popular. I don't expect it to make rifle company viable (honestly, I myself was hoping to get in some more drastic changes to the doctrine), but it'll make it more cohesive as a doctrine and less of a pain to use for those players that simply want to use it. It would take a lot to make it competitive against heavy cavalry, armor, mechanized, airborne, recon, or infantry (perhaps even urban assault).

I over reacted after reading on the word "more popular". For sure I'll give it a try, I have played with it a lot in the past and probably be one of few defending it. But making it more popular, let me have a doubt about it.

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Looks like I'm playing Soviets again in team games. Poor usf.

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14 Aug 2019, 20:22 PMJae For Jett

We were also considering 150 fuel for the jackson nerf, but wanted to be conservative give the other changes to usf's late game and just how essential the jackson is to any usf composition.

Adding riflemen field defenses AND making fireup useable will absolutely make it more popular. I don't expect it to make rifle company viable (honestly, I myself was hoping to get in some more drastic changes to the doctrine), but it'll make it more cohesive as a doctrine and less of a pain to use for those players that simply want to use it. It would take a lot to make it competitive against heavy cavalry, armor, mechanized, airborne, recon, or infantry (perhaps even urban assault).

I think flares being combined with sprint made more sense and the flamers for RE (which doesn't make sense given the theme of the commander) being replaced by something else that actually benefits Rifles more like the LMG weapon rack unlock, or something else entirely, that's just my idea/opinion.

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14 Aug 2019, 20:59 PMMr.Flush

Looks like I'm playing Soviets again in team games. Poor usf.

This. I think the patch nerfed USF more than it got buffed, especially the things that got nerfed were more common in team games, where USF is already lackluster. Gonna stick to playing SOV/UKF in team games

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14 Aug 2019, 21:12 PMRifleMan

This. I think the patch nerfed USF more than it got buffed, especially the things that got nerfed were more common in team games, where USF is already lackluster. Gonna stick to playing SOV/UKF

USF will not be viable in team games unless they get a team game oriented commander.

They would have probably if I wasn't dumb enough to suggest my Airborne Glider Company instead of this:

Heavy Armor dictates team games and is what the USF is severely lacking.

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14 Aug 2019, 21:12 PMRifleMan

This. I think the patch nerfed USF more than it got buffed, especially the things that got nerfed were more common in team games, where USF is already lackluster. Gonna stick to playing SOV/UKF in team games

Petty much my thoughts. I'm not going to get forced to play rock, paper, sciccors with someone who is going to pick God everytime. Had a fun time playing USF after the tech rework.

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14 Aug 2019, 21:12 PMRifleMan

This. I think the patch nerfed USF more than it got buffed, especially the things that got nerfed were more common in team games, where USF is already lackluster. Gonna stick to playing SOV/UKF in team games

yea not gonna touch any other faction, im gonna enjoy the custom games ukf vs soviet

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Not saying USf is going to suck vs nerfed okw start, but playing usf vs ostheer is not going to be fun with nerfed indirect fire.

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Jackson
+5 Fuel isn't going to change much. The issue is the incredibly mobile power this unit brings to the table. It could be balance via cost changes, but +5 fuel isn't enough if we're keeping the power where it is. A more interesting approach would be to buff other AT options, so the jackson can be nerfed while also not being the only late-game AT option for USF.

M8 Scott
While the auto-fire RoF is nice, now it's just going to OHK units slightly slower. It's a step in the right direction, but an actual damage nerf would've fit better, as it would've smoothed out the current damage output. That, or just copy+paste the Pak Howitzer change.

It would've also been nice to see a buff to the 57mm ATG, as well as adjustments to the .50cal.

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14 Aug 2019, 21:37 PMMr.Flush

Not saying USf is going to suck vs nerfed okw start, but playing usf vs ostheer is not going to be fun with nerfed indirect fire.

It is precisely indirect auto fire that was hugely overperforming with literally no input from the user for a massive amount of kills vs a static faction like Wehr.

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14 Aug 2019, 21:56 PMthekingsown10

It is precisely indirect auto fire that was hugely overperforming with literally no input from the user for a massive amount of kills vs a static faction like Wehr.

Wehr is cancer when allowed to play static. If no input is a problem then allow usf to build snipers, they take skill to use. Soviets have snipers and that is why I'm switching factions if these changes make it through. If they buff barrages and nerf aa on the pak Howie, I may reconsider.

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This all reminds me, can we PLEASE finally fix the 0.5 retreat RA on the M2HB? Do I really need to make a thread in the bugs section on it?

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14 Aug 2019, 21:16 PMTiger Baron

USF will not be viable in team games unless they get a team game oriented commander.

They would have probably if I wasn't dumb enough to suggest my Airborne Glider Company instead of this:

Heavy Armor dictates team games and is what the USF is severely lacking.

too many armor vehicles

u makes heavy cavalry more worse

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While I like Riflemen Field Defenses, a Sniper would be better. He's the ultimate Rifleman!

A Pathfinder model could be used - just changes the stats.

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3.
☞ ps3YES ☜
938
386
.708
+3
4.
[SNAD] TheMeowGamer
136
68
.667
+5
5.
Aljosa - Ibuprofen  [BOBER]
127
45
.738
+1
6.
CrossFire- JellyBelly
1045
381
.733
+1
7.
Pioneer
191
100
.656
+2
8.
William H. Harrison
511
209
.710
+9
9.
BatON
1188
785
.602
+4
10.
gardening lelic
912
478
.656
+6

                    

                        1.
SFC. LEE ッ
3348
1080
.756
+7
2.
★DEFEKTOJIOG★
65
13
.833
+1
3.
Zsirbacsi
97
39
.713
-1
4.
JOE
1242
752
.623
-2
5.
Oorah!
352
152
.698
+2
6.
遇到狗就输
696
403
.633
-1
7.
★Osas
359
132
.731
+5
8.
계엄령
733
399
.648
+1
9.
Sumi
351
303
.537
-2
10.
125656923
275
198
.581
+4

                    

                        1.
godjaemin
395
284
.582
+5
2.
卡提希娅高手
894
743
.546
+1
3.
BeRyan
1525
1206
.558
+4
4.
浦和小调
405
259
.610
-1
5.
末逝
354
232
.604
+7
6.
King of Lee
781
588
.570
+6
7.
White pigs delete the game
239
125
.657
+1
8.
Paddeiguaner
54
28
.659
+2
9.
Brown
173
75
.698
+1
10.
CNposition
329
215
.605
-2

                    

                        1.
MoronPark_Cat YE
431
63
.872
+9
2.
джинь
593
82
.879
+7
3.
Boomerwaffen
800
454
.638
-1
4.
Kumatsuhara Nyganomiyakishi
130
44
.747
+4
5.
vonLewinski
313
114
.733
+9
6.
miGOTE
370
253
.594
+6
7.
오리야꽥꽥해
284
162
.637
+2
8.
Aljosa - Ibuprofen  [BOBER]
179
51
.778
+2
9.
小鱼干
177
73
.708
+3
10.
我选择死亡.jpg
371
284
.566
-1

                    

                        1.
DIRTY_FINISHER
1704
928
.647
+4
2.
Aljosa - Ibuprofen  [BOBER]
285
169
.628
+1
3.
Burden
168
61
.734
+4
4.
CrossFire- JellyBelly
1002
300
.770
+4
5.
☞ ps3YES ☜
2031
1096
.650
+1
6.
yox
63
21
.750
-1
7.
[SNAD] TheMeowGamer
119
40
.748
+9
8.
【Clannad】
216
69
.758
+2
9.
ywgzh
107
34
.759
-1
10.
HSRometh
776
614
.558
+7

                    

                        1.
Thales
802
297
.730
-1
2.
Remder
636
186
.774
+6
3.
계엄령
1592
782
.671
-2
4.
Riiiiina
328
127
.721
+16
5.
BATTLEDANNY1
103
27
.792
+1
6.
★DEFEKTOJIOG★
120
51
.702
+1
7.
Ovidiu
1544
773
.666
-1
8.
SoE-Sturmpanther
369
62
.856
-1
9.
[NS]HellMarch
561
311
.643
+6
10.
TaLa
273
168
.619
+1

                    

                        1.
BeRyan
971
647
.600
+7
2.
死者为大
411
188
.686
+8
3.
卡提希娅高手
614
431
.588
+8
4.
ukill
262
190
.580
+1
5.
BATTLEDANNY1
431
302
.588
+7
6.
开图炸房死一户口本
139
59
.702
+4
7.
m249
689
773
.471
-1
8.
Starry sky
851
644
.569
+4
9.
浦和小调
351
227
.607
+2
10.
A-Cant play
173
110
.611
+1

                    

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