Why USF so bad in tournaments?

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 11:50 AMddd

Its 280mp and you would get free weapon racks and nades (300mp). Since you dont need to factor in officer squad, you can open with 4 rifles without murdering upkeep. Thats a buff.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 12:01 PMSander93

4x rifles + 200mp tech + 50mp tech = 1370 manpower for 4 squads and light vehicle tech and both side techs, one of which (grenades) you usually do not need.

Or 4x rifles + 200mp tech + 200mp tech = 1520 manpower for 4 squads and both support weapons techs and side techs.

versus

3x rifles + free officer + 200mp tech + 50mp tech = 1090 manpower for 4 squads and tech and you can choose to only unlock Weapon Racks (1090 + 150 = 1240 manpower).

2x rifles + free officer + 200mp tech + free officer + 200mp tech = 960 manpower for 4 squads and support weapons tech, 50mp more if you want light vehicles (which you don't necessarily need in team games), and you can choose to only unlock Weapon Racks (960 + 150 = 1110 manpower).


Now I don't know about you, but I'd rather take the latter two and fight without grenades, and use the manpower I save to get an M2HB or something.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 12:01 PMSander93

4x rifles + 200mp tech + 50mp tech = 1370 manpower for 4 squads and light vehicle tech and both side techs, one of which (grenades) you usually do not need.

Or 4x rifles + 200mp tech + 200mp tech = 1520 manpower for 4 squads and both support weapons techs and side techs.

versus

3x rifles + free officer + 200mp tech + 50mp tech = 1090 manpower for 4 squads and tech and you can choose to only unlock Weapon Racks (1090 + 150 = 1240 manpower).

2x rifles + free officer + 200mp tech + free officer + 200mp tech = 960 manpower for 4 squads and support weapons tech, 50mp more if you want light vehicles (which you don't necessarily need in team games), and you can choose to only unlock Weapon Racks (960 + 150 = 1110 manpower).


Now I don't know about you, but I'd rather take the latter two and fight without grenades, and use the manpower I save to get an M2HB or something.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2019, 21:54 PMddd

Can you stop with this bullshit? OKW has free weapon upgrades and grenades and shwerer, OST has free weapon upgrades and grenades, if free officer is such a problem for USF, change it for free grenades and weapon upgrades. It will be a buff.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 14:56 PMGrumpy

No, make Grenadiers and Volks have to get to vet 1 before they can snare, eliminate their current Vet 1 bonus, and make them have to pay for weapon racks and grenades. Also, no more upgrading in the field. Make them retreat and pick it up at the base. Do that and I'd gladly give up the free officer.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 15:11 PMJilet

>> You can't remove Gren faust since Pak is locked behind T2.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 15:11 PMJilet

>> You can't remove Gren faust since Pak is locked behind T2.

>> Maybe acceptable about Volks on the move STG that also improves all range DPS but not the static, 2 hour aim Gren LMG. I don't get why you people are so whiny about LMG-42 upgrade on a 4 man squad.

>>Agreed on Rifle nade killing a vet slot. Maybe give it with the T1 or T2 unlock like OST can be good. But those unlock costs will need to be adjusted since the total costs needs to be same with other factions.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 15:27 PMEsxile

I think we could since pzgrenshreck are available without T2

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 15:28 PMGrumpy

I was being somewhat sarcastic in that part of the post. If you made the faust not available until vet 1, OST would get utterly destroyed by clown cars with flamers. On a more serious note, one of the Riflemen's vet bonuses, snare, is just something that the other faction's mainline infantry get free and without vet, even though Rifles are more expensive.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 16:03 PMJilet

...Agreed until bold. But rifles are expensive for a reason. Their model per stats are superior to penals...quote]

I want to play that version of the game.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 16:03 PMJilet

Agreed until bold. But rifles are expensive for a reason. Their model per stats are superior to penals. Rifles sacrifice 1 model for 20mp to differantiate from penals. Giving them AT nade behind either/both LT or CPT for free can solve their problems vs Luchs/222 etc. But I relly doubt what to do with the now empty vet1 slot considering their godly other vet bonuses. Maybe split vet3 between vet1 and vet3 ?

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 16:44 PMGrumpy

Here is a comparison of the total vet bonuses. Explain why do Rifles cost 280 and Volks cost 250. Volks get much better accuracy, cooldown and reload bonuses for a worse RA bonus. Passive healing versus the ability to throw grenades slightly more often, especially when you have no munitions for grenades anyway?

Rifles Vet Bonuses:

Unlocks the 'Anti-Tank Rifle Grenade' ability
-38% received accuracy
-20% weapon cooldown
+30% accuracy
-50% ability recharge time
25% grenade range


Volks
-20% received accuracy
-40% weapon cooldown
+45% accuracy
Passive Healing,
+20% sight range,
-30% reload

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 16:28 PMOutsider_Sidaroth

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 16:03 PMJilet

...Agreed until bold. But rifles are expensive for a reason. Their model per stats are superior to penals...quote]

I want to play that version of the game.

Than check their stats and get amazed because you are playing that game.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 16:44 PMGrumpy

I was comparing the cost of Rifles to Volk (or Grens for that matter).

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Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 16:44 PMGrumpy

I was comparing the cost of Rifles to Volk (or Grens for that matter).

Here is a comparison of the total vet bonuses. Explain why do Rifles cost 280 and Volks cost 250. Volks get much better accuracy, cooldown and reload bonuses for a worse RA bonus. Passive healing versus the ability to throw grenades slightly more often, especially when you have no munitions for grenades anyway?

Rifles Vet Bonuses:

Unlocks the 'Anti-Tank Rifle Grenade' ability
-38% received accuracy
-20% weapon cooldown
+30% accuracy
-50% ability recharge time
25% grenade range


Volks
-20% received accuracy wrong
-40% weapon cooldown wrong
+4%5 accuracy wrong
Passive Healing, right
+20% sight range, wrong
-30% reload wrong

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 17:48 PMJilet

Sander gave you the current numbers now my man. And also do not forget US gets the ambo to mobile heal/reinforce which OKW can't except for Fuersturm.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 17:56 PMStug life

>reading the pacth notes
>being a fan boy
chose one

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 18:43 PMGrumpy

Pot, meet kettle. Starting with your name, you're probably one of the worst fan boys on this site - bad enough that you can't distinguish between a fan boy and someone who wants all the factions to be competitive in all game modes.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 19:33 PMStug life

u know u could check my post history right ?

btw do u play ww2 game and don't know ww2 memes ? come on man