then what about 55 range ?
Range, cheap cost, decent penetration.
You can have only 2.
Plus, why does it need 55 range?
There are no range 50 mediums its intended to counter, only 40 range ones.
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then what about 55 range ?
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Nerf Pz4 Pen values and you'll see people build them again.
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then what about 55 range ?
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obv there would be trade off, like reduced ROF or increase in price
Range, cheap cost, decent penetration.
You can have only 2.
Plus, why does it need 55 range?
There are no range 50 mediums its intended to counter, only 40 range ones.
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Heh, 125/115/110 penetration isn't bad enough already?
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yea and u prefer to forget cost and other vet bonuses
I prefer compare pen/armor values than pure values, when talking about performance of similar units.
Pentration from mid to frontal armor values:
P4 115/234 (vet 3)
Sherman 130/160 (vet 3)
Cromwell 120/160 (vet 3)
Then let's count chances to pen frontal armor:
P4 vs Sherman - 115/160=71%
P4 vs Cromwell - 115/160=71%
Sherman vs P4 - 130/234=55%
Cromwell vs P4 - 120/234=51%
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yea and u prefer to forget cost and other vet bonuses
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no they come at the same time
Don't see any problems, debuff armor, makes p4 like cromwell or sherman. Allies bazookas, piats and su-76 will be happy to fight against 160 armor. And don't forget that allies medium could be build from top-tier building, while ost in 1 tier earlir.
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no they come at the same time
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well we can make all unit the same for each faction At that point
I don't know exact digits, but let's imagine that it's right. What you will get in that case? German "sherman/cromwell" that have the same stats and abilities as allies, and don't have any strong sides against.
You just cutted off your own hands with that decision. Every armor combat between your and ally medium become very danger for you, you got 2 almost equal mediums. Who will win in battle if opponents have equal skills?
But if you prefer light armor to other bonuses (accuracy, abilities) why not? When USF and UKF every game will be use M10 against you, soviet su-76 with spam t-70. You maybe understand that more "old" P4 was better than new "modern".
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well we can make all unit the same for each faction At that point
The p4 has average pen, that’s it
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again u are counting vet bonuses only at vet 0 it only has 20 more armor , and btw other tank get other bonuses, like smoke, moving accuracy, etc
Not me wanted that P4 have the same bonuses as allies. Current P4 more than over fit me.
15 pen less than sherman, 5 less than cromwell and 15 more that t-3476))) AVERAGE!!!
But have 74 more armor. THE BEST ONE!!
See the difference?
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again u are counting vet bonuses only at vet 0 it only has 20 more armor , and btw other tank get other bonuses, like smoke, moving accuracy, etc
Ex: Sherman has the best accuracy and ai, Cromwell is a Ferrari, a t 76 is cheaper than food in Russia (true fact tho)
Don't increase Stug range to 60, the unit is fine as it is. I just wish its comparably weak TWP (to Pak40) would be replaced with a sight ability like the Su85. But then that would make Scopes too strong again.
I swear, Ostheer would be so much better if Spotting Scopes got the nerf hammer so Ostheer can get a more reliable lategame sight method than 222, Sniper and Pioneers.
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I prefer compare pen/armor values than pure values, when talking about performance of similar units.
Pentration from mid to frontal armor values:
P4 115/234 (vet 3)
Sherman 130/160 (vet 3)
Cromwell 120/160 (vet 3)
Then let's count chances to pen frontal armor:
P4 vs Sherman - 115/160=71%
P4 vs Cromwell - 115/160=71%
Sherman vs P4 - 130/234=55%
Cromwell vs P4 - 120/234=51%
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They arnt bad, just not in meta but cause mediums arnt in meta.
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