Possible commander revamp candidates

Jump back to quoted post5 Aug 2019, 22:55 PMHon3ynuts

Rifle Company is the worst in team Games

Mechanized would be fine if the shermans could call down arty like the WC51 similar to Elite armor's Panzer Commander...or actually exactly the same as that one, it would be good. I Do agree cav rifles should stay there, but maybe a 2 thompson upgrade on rifle company may be okay though.

I think some type of different weapon upgrade is the most important component of a Rifle company revamp. People may not want lmgs or bars for the 400th game in a row.

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2019, 20:39 PMflyingpancake

I don't think it would be OP. The company would be focused around rifleman after all and commanders with lots of early abilities have a worse late game.

On sidenote. I think a ranger carbine upgrade could be good for the rifle doctrine.

Replaces 5 M1 Garands with 5 Ranger M1 Carbines for 60 muni. Locks out weapon rack upgrades.

This upgrade would give Rifleman a dps boost at all ranges while keeping the their inherent weaknesses. Its also different then even more commanders with 1919's.

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2019, 08:57 AMSmartie

• and one of the Luftwaffe doctrine
  should be reworked
  
  I personally would prefer "Luftwaffe Supply" - it could give the mod team the chance to include Wehr Falls

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 04:39 AMLoopDloop

Or you could just get a BAR and have an objectively better squad. Problem with 5 carbines is a) that's wayyy too weak for 60 muni and 2 slots and b) BAR'd squads keep more of their DPS when they lose models because like half their DPS or something is coming from the one (or two) BAR(s), so even when they drop models they still have a ton of DPS, but with carbines it'd be a linear reduction with each model drop. That's one of the things that makes weapons like BARs and LMGs so good.

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 06:05 AMUnit G17

How about inlocuding the Luftwaffe field officer as well? It would be different from the one found in the Theater of War missions, removing panzerfaust but gaining the ability to call in medical supplies, Fragmentation bombing replaced with Incendiary bombing (these would free up the two required commander slots to include the Officer and Falls), Recon replaced with Smoke bombs and Stuka Close Air Support replaced with Concentrated fire (the aura ability found on Arty officers).
As for the Falls, they would deploy with rifles and can be upgraded with Stormtrooper Mp40s for free and Fg42s (on top of rifles or smgs) for like 60 munis. This upgrade system would represent the equipment problems Falls had at Crete.

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 13:39 PMVipper

At this point revamping the top pick commander and toning them down will probably be far more effective than buffing another seldomly picked commander.

Nerfing increase the meta commander pool.

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 14:05 PMSmartie

Do you really think people choose Festung Support without any changes if Jaeger Armor is nerfed? Will people choose Firestorm without changes only because specops will be nerfed?
No they wont.

Its legit to nerf meta commanders but 2nd or 3rd tier commanders will not be more attractive if they are broken like Firestorm/Festung Support/ Soviet Defense etc. These commanders need to be more attractive too.

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 15:02 PMVipper

Let me explain this with an hypothetical example example:

Lets say special op is 120% OP commander. The commander will dominate the meta unless another commander is revamped to be +120% op.

If the commander is nerfed to be the 100% power level any an all commander close 100% power level will start being used.

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 15:02 PMVipper

Let me explain this with an hypothetical example example:

Lets say special op is 120% OP commander. The commander will dominate the meta unless another commander is revamped to be +120% op.

If the commander is nerfed to be the 100% power level any an all commander close 100% power level will start being used.

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 14:08 PMKatitof

There will always be meta commanders, because always something is better in given game mode.

You'll nerf current meta commanders, new meta commanders that'll be 90% of the time picks will replace them.

That's how RTS games work, there is high end competitive meta and then there are casual and mid level builds.

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 16:20 PMHon3ynuts

There are at least double the number of viable commanders compared to before the revamps started for each faction outside of OKW using SpecOps.

Ostheer has Infantry, Jaeger infantry, Jaegar armor, new Reserve armor, Mechanized, Tiger Ace when a few year ago it was 100% lightning war or bust. Some work better in teamgames and others 1v1, but Ostheer has a fantastic array of commanders to complement their strats at this time.

TLDR; Revamps are amazing and helping the game alot

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 18:54 PMWingZero

I know we swapped OKW and Wher units but can Wehrmacht Luftwaffe commander get Falls?

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 16:20 PMHon3ynuts

There are at least double the number of viable commanders compared to before the revamps started for each faction outside of OKW using SpecOps.

Ostheer has Infantry, Jaeger infantry, Jaegar armor, new Reserve armor, Mechanized, Tiger Ace when a few year ago it was 100% lightning war or bust. Some work better in teamgames and others 1v1, but Ostheer has a fantastic array of commanders to complement their strats at this time.

TLDR; Revamps are amazing and helping the game alot

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 15:11 PMthedarkarmadillo

You will need to nerf a whole lot of commanders pretty damn hard to make Soviet defensive tactics on the level of even the next worst commander...

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 15:24 PMJibberJabberJobber

tl;dr: nerf spotting scopes.

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 15:02 PMVipper

Let me explain this with an hypothetical example example:

Lets say special op is 120% OP commander. The commander will dominate the meta unless another commander is revamped to be +120% op.

If the commander is nerfed to be the 100% power level any an all commander close 100% power level will start being used.