Ostheer and Soviet FRP discussion

Jump back to quoted post30 Jul 2019, 18:02 PMHannibal

You should see that Relic tried different strategies with this mechanic and the three new factions have different benefits and cost. I do think that OST and SOV would benefit on larger maps, although I am not a big fan of real retreat points. Soft retreating from fights should be encouraged by forward heal and reinforcement points, a real retreat should be punished by longer walking times. Real FRPs should be expensive as with UK and OKW, USF could use a very slight nerf here, maybe in the form of 1 pop and a bit more MP on the major.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jul 2019, 18:27 PMMaret

Nice writing. As soft FRP it could be upgrade for halftruck (OST and SU) to med halftruck with increased area of reinforcement and healing aura when it stationary.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jul 2019, 18:27 PMMaret

Nice writing. As soft FRP it could be upgrade for halftruck (OST and SU) to med halftruck with increased area of reinforcement and healing aura when it stationary.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jul 2019, 18:31 PMJibberJabberJobber

No highly mobile FRP pls.

Rather see the suggestion of OP implemented, although I'd like it even more if all FRP's got removed.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jul 2019, 18:31 PMJibberJabberJobber

No highly mobile FRP pls.

Rather see the suggestion of OP implemented, although I'd like it even more if all FRP's got removed.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jul 2019, 18:02 PMHannibal

Let's start stating some facts again as wuite a few people are missing the point and to make the current differences clear to everyone before potential bullshitting.

OST: no retreat point, halftrack reinforcement, bunker reinforcement and healing, one-time single squad healing for muni each time the ability is used
SOV: doctrinal FRP on one single commander, halftrack reinforcement, NO healing outside of the base sector
OKW: FRP and healing upgradable when teched (both together quite expensive and rarely seen in smaller modes), med crates healing. Volks self heal in late game at vet5
USF: mobile FRP, reinforcement and healing. Most expensive healing unit in game and there are no other options. Comes at the price of constan tuse of population and opportunity cost for not using abilities of the major
USF: FRP, healing and reinforcements in FOBs. VERY expensive to build both, I would assume that even larger modes rarely allow Brits to get both down. Upgradable AoE healing on IS as pay-once upgrade

Jump back to quoted post30 Jul 2019, 20:25 PMelchino7

For completion sake. Might still miss something.

OH:
-There's the whole medical supply drop which boost stats as well.
-Not now, but i think balance team tested giving the new commander HT some FRP but then was removed as it was not intended.
-Since you mention self healing, Stormtrooper/JI can do so(?)

SOV: you are missing several ones.
-Doesn't the new commander allow to drop medical crates on top of FRP ?
-Commissar heal.
-FHQ allows reinforcement and healing

USF:
-Paras don't sel heal? They reinforce on radio beacons.
-Doesn't the Halftrack are able to drop medkits ?

OKW:
-Sure there are more self healing squads.
-Opel Blitz

UKF:
-Halftrack
-Commandos self heal
-FHQ (only reinforce)

Jump back to quoted post30 Jul 2019, 20:53 PMDangerous-Cloth

Remove all Forward Retreat Points for all factions!!

Jump back to quoted post30 Jul 2019, 20:56 PMHannibal

While I would not have remembered all of this, I consciously did not mention most of them to keep things more clear to the readers.
I also thought about skipping the SOV commander FRP, mentioned it in the end as an FRP is probably one of the most impactful abilities compared to a commander healing drop. Therefore someone would surely have brought it up and if it's just for the sake of nagging my general argument.
Also I only mentioned Volksgrenadiere since these are mainline infantry and you usually have 3-4 of them, so they are basically the main reason why you need healing in the first place. Self healing on them maybe does not make healing obsolete, but less necessary by far. Maybe you could even sustain med crates if you only need them for the support units.
Self-healing on a special unit (like commandos and storm troopers) that you normally don't have more than one of is still nice, but neglectable for the sake of clarity in my opinion.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jul 2019, 20:58 PMCrecer13

For compensation, the Soviets simply need to receive faster healing at the Main Base. Otherwise, I don’t see problems, the Forward Headquarters always has two sides of the coin - on the one hand you return to the battle faster, on the other hand the Forward Headquarters is too close and one strike with a double Katyusha and GG

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 16:00 PMDangerous-Cloth

Ost and Soviets need fast healing both of them.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 16:10 PMCrecer13

The Soviets still have a higher priority, they have less healing opportunities: the Wehrmacht can build bunkers with reinforcement / healing on the front lines without commander, plus medical supplies in several commanders, plus first-aid kits for pioneers / grenadiers / osttruppen. At the same time, the Soviets have a retreat point in only one Commander who sucks.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 16:45 PMDangerous-Cloth

Agreed. Would be nice if engineers could drop a medic crate at like vet 1 or something.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 16:10 PMCrecer13

The Soviets have a retreat point in only one Commander who sucks.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 19:27 PMJibberJabberJobber

+1 Good idea!



Airborne commander is fine, plenty of people use it to good effect. Only thing it really lacks is some early AT option. I'd personally advocate for an elite M1 Bazooka upgrade for the "Airborne" Guards. Also feel the Guards could do with passive camo and demo's, they're currently very costly for what they offer.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 19:27 PMJibberJabberJobber

Airborne commander is fine, plenty of people use it to good effect. Only thing it really lacks is some early AT option. I'd personally advocate for an elite M1 Bazooka upgrade for the "Airborne" Guards. Also feel the Guards could do with passive camo and demo's, they're currently very costly for what they offer.